08-09-2017, 06:03 PM | #76 | |
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This is awesome to hear
Now here's what I hope will be the final version! Please don't be afraid to speak up if you find the prices I've put there unfair Quote:
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08-09-2017, 06:09 PM | #77 |
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Love it, let's do it.
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08-09-2017, 06:11 PM | #78 |
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These prices are fair enough and affordable. I'm good with how this looks.
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08-09-2017, 06:53 PM | #79 |
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Prices look fair to me. I would say this looks ready to go.
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08-10-2017, 09:04 AM | #80 |
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Everything seems to be mostly ready to go, but I personally have a problem with locking the the height and weight of Pokemon into a single proportion. While yes, it does make everything easier as far as the whole process goes, it does also considerably limit the design space people might have for their pokemon. None will be able to roll traits such as "short but thick", or "tall but skinny", and I see absolutely no reason why such traits, amongst others, might be put out of reach. We've already established that ridiculous entries will be flat out denied anyways, so no "max height, min weight Lopunny with eating disorders" for anyone. But done in a tasteful manner I do believe people should have more control either individual characteristic (with the understanding, of course, that it's all still cosmetic only).
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08-10-2017, 05:10 PM | #81 |
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Well I did thought of that point. After all, the Boutique's thang is to be able to customise your Pokémon in whatever way you want, and a few have asked to be able to do it. However, as you mentioned, it definitely will make it difficult with the process, but not just in terms of checking, but also (on the admittedly rare occasions) of tracking those changes later.
Part of me wants to ponder more on that point, but on another, people really, really want the Boutique to finally be implemented. So here's what I can do:
I'll edit that in that post now. |
08-13-2017, 05:18 AM | #83 |
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Just as a note, the Boutique lay-out as has been presented seems good to go.
The only thing that still needs to be decided on is the height/weight independent changes. Personally, I consider height-weight ratio differences to be a physical deformity. I'm not against having them but I think if a size change is done, the weight should proportionally change with it. If someone wants to change the weight in relation to the size (or length against width, etc.) then they'll have to pay for the deformity to have it. So the way I imagined it:
Anyway, this was my original idea when I imagined that size/weight are originally supposed to be linked. In this way, disproportionate weights will only be purchased if there's a genuine interest in having them and not just because they can be freely picked whenever slightly adjusting the size. It's a small thing but one I feel might make a difference. This should be the last thing that needs hashing out. If people can post a favourite option on how to handle the size/weight changes - even if they're voting blank - then we can pick the majority favourite and roll out The Boutique asap.
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08-13-2017, 05:35 AM | #84 |
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Honestly I am fine with what you just presented, I don't mind paying a little extra to fix GF's mistakes :P I mean I like having my Pokemon, especially the ones I intend to ride around to be at least heavier than my character, which isn't exactly easy since my character is based of me which puts him at a healthy 110kg.
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08-13-2017, 10:49 AM | #85 |
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I'm cool with paying an extra 50 for messing with the height/weight ratio.
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08-13-2017, 11:05 AM | #86 |
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That can work out, EAI!
While I do understand your thoughts, I do want to ask about one thing: what about if the person wants to change both weight and height, but not in the same proportions? Your examples only talk about if they one to change only one of the two. If I understand correctly, the moment that weight and height are not proportional, the extra fee kicks in. So if someone wants the weight at, say, x1.5 but the height at x2, they pay 150$. If that's the case, then I'm ok with that All that said, although in all honestly I prefer to just have it that you have to stay proportioned with no height/weight independent changes shenanigans for practical reasons on my side, but seeing how the demand is there and admittedly goes against the Boutique's purpose is to customise Pokémon in the way you want, I'm willing to give height/weight independent changes a go. But as I mentioned earlier, it'll be a test run. If I see that it gets a little too complicated/tedious/whatever for me to handle, I'll have to discuss with you guys again to find a solution about it! |
08-13-2017, 11:09 AM | #87 |
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I'm good with shelling out a little more for weight being classed as a deformity so to speak.
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08-13-2017, 04:30 PM | #91 |
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Yeah, I think everything looks great Okiku. I say let's just put it into action and if there's anything that needs to be changed it can be tweaked later!
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08-13-2017, 04:44 PM | #92 |
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Yeah, I'm inclined to agree here- I'm all for implementing the Boutique now and dealing with any subsequent issues later on as they arise.
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08-13-2017, 05:45 PM | #93 |
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Yes.
Most of the people who have been involved with this discussion have given their opinions on the last few matters. So as of now, the Boutique can be implemented as OM has presented. Please make sure to add the clause on size and size/weight changes.
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09-18-2017, 09:43 PM | #94 | |
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Hello there! Long time no see! Alright. so Boutique is now nice and implemented, but via Discord, a question popped up (Thanks Heather!) which I admittedly I am torn to what the answer should be, as I want to both be open and fair to you guys! And then right after one of my old ideas got back to the surface of my brain, so I'll be bringing that up too!
So first off: We currently have this rule (noted in the FAQ) that: Quote:
As for my second thing, I have brought it up before and got mixed opinions at first, but now I brought it up again with some modifications and seems to be more openly accepted, so I'll throw it in here now! Two words: Gender, Spray. My main inspiration was how a lot of folks prefers certain species with only a certain gender, whenever it is for aesthetic or personality purposes. (I for one have too many Female Pokémon in my Memakyu ^^; ) We can change a Pokémon into a shiny with Shiny Sprays, we can choose whichever Nature, color, size, Ability, they have... so why not should we be able to change the gender, too? But then I started thinking how great of a tool it can be in terms of RPing, too: Pokémon could be transgenders! And Pokémon who are normally genderless can finally have one of the two binary genders. And Pokémon born as one gender can decide to be non-binary/agender/etc by turning genderless! And we already have accepted Pokémon with different sexual orientations (thank you for changing the rules of the Valentine Ball!), so what are we waiting for!? ...Well one thing that was irking some is how anyone can just buy the Gender Spray, change gender, and boom done. It downplays/removes the importance of gender, and it feels wrong to force a Pokémon to change its gender not by their own choice (or that they're so just-out-of-their-egg to even make that decision.) So here's what I suggest: Yes to Gender Spray, but with a requirement or more to humanise (Pokémonise?) the purchase and use of it. Here's some suggestions of requirements needed:
All that said, we should also probably talk on how "far" we should go with how the Gender Spray can be used:
So guys, please let me know for what you agree with or not with the Gender Spray, and what are your preferences in terms of the rules! |
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09-18-2017, 10:08 PM | #95 |
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I think I've already made my opinions on past gen shinies clear enough: for shiny Pokemon owners to register free of charge, and for no one else.
As for Gender spray, while I will admit to having minimal if any need for it beyond maybe having a male cosplay Pikachu depending on how that pans out, I think it makes perfect sense. I mean, in ASB, I was allowed to have a typechanged, alternate colored female Mothim with enough justification in their biography, so why not allow such freedom here? Agree that serious thought needs to be put into it, though, it can't be "oh no i hatched a female piplup when i wanted a male, but oh i can fix that! "
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09-19-2017, 05:07 AM | #96 |
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It may be a knee-jerk reaction but a Gender spray to me is taking liberties too far with the source material even if I would be one of the most interested players in having control over genders. I don't think a gender spray is the way to go about it though - rather, drop the gender roll in hatched or rewarded Pokemon and let players decide which they want upon pickup. It's less convoluted and has fewer implications that we just subjected an animal to a gender shift - which, with no intention to offend anyone in the community, is still weird for me to think about as far as Pokemon goes. I just think there are easier ways to ensure people get the genders they want.
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09-19-2017, 09:33 AM | #97 |
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I agree with everything Mask said
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Alrighty, since nobody seems to want Gender Spray (I have given plenty of time for everyone to add more), I guess that means that idea goes in the trash bin! (Unless others who does want it shows up.)
That said, there's still the other issue I mentioned alongside that, that is what to do with both rules of shiny Pokémon and "previous gen colors are official colors". Quote:
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And now for a new subject: Humpy sprites! As some may know, in our file where our "official" humpy sprites are stored, things has come to a stop after Gen V; not having any of those sprites for Gen VI and onward. ...And actually, I just noticed that Gen V doesn't even have their shiny sprites; the shame! so since I'm the main user of those sprites (but I do know others uses them!) I went off for a quest to find those animated sprites we're missing, and, if needed, create them with my spare time! ...And then, thanks to Dirkac, I have discovered something: The reason why we have never gotten or seen animated sprites (or at least different frames of those sprites) is that... there is no other sprite to make an animation of! Long story short, GameFreak decided since Gen VI to just use one sprite and move it up and down instead of actually make a 2-frame animation. (Either they got lazy making the animation, or they wanted to save memory by cutting things down to 1 frame/sprite and move it with programmation.) So with that info in mind, we got a choice of what to do for our sprites:
All that said though, depending on how much workload I'll be getting (animated or not, missing sprites only or full-on update, and also depending if I get elected for modship or not), I might ask for some Helping Hand on making all those sprites! I'm not asking right away, but I just want to put upfront about it so you guys are not worrying about the workload I'm going to put all on my shoulders ^^; |
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My personal opinion would be a vote for homemade old-gen style humpy sprites, to be honest, just to keep things at least somewhat consistent. Also, I'm personally in favor of keeping the old sprites as opposed to updating them as well. The old sprites look just fine IMO, and keeping them as is would ease up on the workload, not only for you, but for anyone who uses them, particularly those of us (such as myself) who have a lot of Pokémon whose sprites would need updating in their member posts.
Also, for what it's worth, if indeed we end up going with animated humpy sprites for Gen 6 and 7 stuff, I'd be willing to donate my animated Chespin humpy sprite, the one I made myself for the Chespin Doll item in my member post, so that'd be one less you'd have to do . |
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That said, if all the sprites gets updated but the majority of people wants to keep using the old style, I can simply put the new sprites in a separate way (either in its own folder or just named differently) so the old sprites' links doesn't change, while those wanting the new style will have to update their links. |
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