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My observation of this consideration is that disabilities are an unfortunate reality and have no place being featured in the realm of fantasy. TLC in particular was aghast at the idea that fantasy should feature this idea, even though several manga he reads have characters afflicted with those statuses (namely, Claymore!). M's a bit more stranger case. I think he's more accepting than TLC, but isn't prepared to take the step forward into playing KS. I got him to admit that Shizune/Lily's disabilities that don't impact their physical appearance aren't hard to dismiss, but he also has experience as one of the girls who lived on his dorm room floor was missing an arm. M has avoided giving an opinion, though, just (politely) declined an intent to play. Ultimately, I think the distorted premise - "H-game about guy taking advantage of girls with disabilities" - is probably what triggers the "gross" reflex. It sounds pretty depraved and deviant, and that manipulation impression + instinctive apprehension toward disabilities is leading to the repugnance.
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My input on the whole "it's wrong to play an eroge with girls with handicaps!" thing. I don't think it's a big deal. It has a potentially good story, and characters who actually have circumstances that haven't been used in 1000 things I've seen before, so that's all I need to play it. Some hypocrite moral BS isn't gonna keep me from playing it. Besides, it's not like this is completely new to me. Hell, in One, there's a retarded girl, a blind girl, and a mute.
As for the screaming chubby: I don't dislike her, I just gave her that nickname because it'll take a while to remember her name, and I thought it was catchy. Remember, I'm TERRIBLE at remembering Japanese names. Also, I think burn victim's burns were caused by someone intentionally. Whether it's domestic abuse or by a stranger, I'll put my money on intentional burninating! |
01-05-2012, 12:32 AM | #53 |
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I've got some good news and some bad news. ^^;
The good news is, (1) I've got 14% completion; (2) I've grown to like Emi, too, so despite her loliness, she's now been promoted to the next rank up from where she last was; and (3) I appear to have docked onto my first character path! The bad news is, ... It appears to be the Emi path! XD I have no idea how character docking works in this game. I felt like I never did much of anything that had noticeably taken me off of the Hanako path or the Shizune path or the Rin path. The Lilly path, sure, because I should have probably taken her side if I'd wanted to dock onto her path. But I don't remember ever having any choices with Emi and Rin that would told the game "give him Emi over Rin." And I don't remember doing anything much else, either, that would have prevented me from docking onto Shizune's path. I mean, sure, my Hisao never did commit to join the student council ... but he never flat-out perma-rejected the idea, either! I dunno. All I know is, Emi is certainly cute, but I feel like this is Ever17 all over again. Just like with Ever17 where Doppel had me do Yuu first and then said "Now you can try for Tsugumi if you like ," so too here do I feel like I've been given the character who I think is fun and cute and all ... but who isn't my #1 romantic pick either. ^^; Now, I will say this: it specifically called Emi's path "Act 2," so I'm kind of wondering if maybe there aren't paths for me to dock onto yet anyway. I'm wondering if Emi's path is an obligatory first path (just as Saber's path, Fate, is an obligatory first path in FSN) and if on my second playthrough I'm going to be given some new choices that will determine whether I re-dock onto Emi or whether I branch out into uncharted territory. So we'll see. Another possibility is that there is no docking whatsoever (wouldn't that be a twist? ) and if you have to play each girl in the order presented: Emi, then Hanako, then either Rin or Lilly (I forget), then either Lilly or Rin ("), and finally Shizune. However, if the order is Emi Hanako Lilly Rin Shizune, then it may just be the case that they listed the girls' names in alphabetical order and that the name order has nothing to do with how they want you to explore the story. Having your partner off with Shizune last, though, would certainly hearken back to the Amagami anime (didn't watch it) where the last girl you go for, Ayatsuji iirc is her name, is the class rep. ================================== Anyway, an updated ranking:Girls I'm interested in: Hanako > Shizune > Misha > Lilly Girls I'm neither nor: Emi (I really like her, but ... she's just too loli for me sometimes ^^; ) Girls I'm not very interested in: Rin One last thing: Doppel! I may be wrong about Emi's age. Kinda confused on this point. Earlier in the game, when Emi runs into you in the hallway, what Lilly says makes it seem like (or at least, I took it to mean that) Emi is a first year. However, Emi later introduces Hisao to somebody as a guy who is in "their year." (Might have even been Rin on the rooftop, I forget.) We know for a fact that Hisao is a third year (a, he's with Shizune, Misha, and Hanako; b, he said that he's only got one year at this academy, suggesting he plans to graduate shortly), so this in turn would suggest that Emi is also a third year. In which case, she's not so loli anymore since she'd either be 17 or 18. Come to think of it ... for this game to be legal in the US and other countries, maybe all of the characters are categorically 18-year old third years. (Or will at least turn 18 before their sex scenes.) I just realized that. In which case ... you guys'll have to forgive me / put up with me / grit your teeth every time I call Emi a loli. But what can I say? Seems like they sure set out to make her one. But yeah. I've warmed up to her. So, even if she wasn't my first pick (or my second ... or my third ), I'm still excited to explore her route, assuming that that is in fact what I docked onto. Then after I do that comes Hanako. Then I might deliberately aim for Rin since I'm going into this expecting not to like her route very much at all. (Will be happy to be proven wrong, of course.) Then I'll shoot for Lilly. And I'll save Shizune, my current second favorite, for last. Seems like a plan. Not unlike what I did with Ever17. (Yuu --> Tsugumi --> Sara --> Sora, where my ranking had been Tsugumi > Yuu >= Sora > Sara, and I deliberately did Sara before doing Sora as I expected to like Sora's route more. In the end, I'm not sure that I did ^^; as Sara's route proved to be much better than I'd feared it would be, but w/e.)
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Hahahaha, FUCK YOU! Let's trade then. I'm 100% on Emi's path (will discuss more tomorrow as I get further along), so I can give you your Emi and you can give me my Hanako.
Doppel: But she won't have you. You failed to naturally dock onto her path, remember? Talon: *open mouth, no words* I'll remember this, Doppel! (Have you seen the festival yet? As far as I can tell, you don't dock until after it. That, at least, was the case with Emi.)
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Registering 17% completion right now. Sadly ^^;, it looks like the percent completion is in fact for the game overall and not for each individual act. But the good news (for me, anyway) appears to be that I still have 40-50% of Act 1 yet to explore and I'm only about one-third of the way through Emi's act. So percent completion index be damned, it's looking like I've still got plenty of Katawa Shoujo goodness left in store.
Progress Update, Speculation: Spoiler: show I was thinking all last night about how I could have possibly docked onto the Emi path. Without looking anything up online, here're some ideas: Spoiler: show Doppel, if it helps you, and if you don't mind using a buddy as a guide but you do mind using an official walkthrough as a guide, I can try to remember my own choices during Act 1 so that you can try and get onto the Emi path: Spoiler: show
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I'm trying to go for the the student council duo's path right now, since this path seems like it'll be the least interesting. I think I've hit it, since they're waking my guy up every morning and stuff.
Also, what does it mean when that patches heart icon flashes across the screen and it plays a weird tune? Is it the finish of an act or something? For the Emi thing Spoiler: show |
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Yeah. Not looking anything up online, of course, just wanting to speculate with muh bros here , but I agree that that probably is what did it. It actually fits with Emi very, very well because ... (Emi path spoiler? Hmm ...)
Spoiler: show Interesting that you think Shizune's path will be the most boring while I think it'd be the second most interesting. But yeah, the waking you up stuff that you mentioned totally did not happen in my Act 1. So if it's happening in your Act 1, then you've probably successfully docked (or at least, you haven't locked yourself out of docking) onto Shizune's path.
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Oh. My. God. :O
Kenji-related spoiler. Emi path, post-Shanghai, at the library. Spoiler: show Kenji is quite the character, isn't he? Doppel, I think you're going to have a moe overload when you play this route. ^^;
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22% completion. Halfway through Act 3. It would seem that each girl's path begins with an Act 2 of her own and works forward from there.
I noticed upon loading up the game last time that little scraps of paper are being added to the main menu screen every time you reach a new act. Everybody gets their first scrap of Hisao from Act 1, it seems, but then you add more scraps as you unlock more acts. My Act 2 scrap of Emi is to Hisao's immediate left and my Act 3 scrap of Emi is to the immediate left of that. A cute little feature, one of the many delightful little things about this game. Well ... Emi's Big Bad has arrived, it seems. Spoiler: show I also saw the first sex scene of the game. Awkward but only because it's Emi da Loli. The dialogue was fine as was the situation. Katawa Shoujo 1, Kinoko Nasu 0. But there's still a lot of game left and they could screw it up in any of those remaining scenes, so we'll have to hold off on declaring KS the winner for now. How the sex scene ended was awesome. Spoiler: show A question for bbb (Shizune path) and Doppel (Hanako path): do you guys have either of the following in your stories?
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Haven't gone very far since I was watching Durarara!! and dealing with low blood sugar, leading to excessive sleeping.
Will make some progress tonight and tell you about it tomorrow morning.
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I've been working all day, so I haven't had much time to play. I'm at 16% completion and a little ways past Act 2. Neither of the events you mentioned have happened in Shizune's path. There has been very little interaction with the other characters in this path. Shizune played a game of chess with burn girl, and there were some chats with Kenji, but that's about it.
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Current progress: 7h42m, 25% completion, at the start of Emi Act 4
While not Emiya Shirou-bad, Hisao is a pretty stupid protagonist sometimes. I wrote something way back when I was only part of the way through Emi's Act 2 and registering 17% completion of the game that, apparently: (1) was a conclusion I reached but not one which was officially made clear (I had thought that it was until very recently! ); and (2) is something Hisao still hasn't been able to figure out Spoiler: show He's also not been able to figure out who the Yamaku Cat Burglar is even though it was obvious to the player who it was before Yuuko ever opened her mouth: Spoiler: show That stated, I will come to Hisao's defense. As far as VN protagonists go, he's either at or ahead of the curve. I'd probably put him on the same level as Takeshi or Yukidoh from Ever17 and Remember11, respectively, and certainly ahead of Kokoro from Remember11 or Shirou from Fate/Stay Night. The more I play of this path, the more it's looking like the club Hisao forms with Mutou is a path-specific occurrence. This is a real shame considering the impact the club has on Hisao's life (both present and future). But it seems to have been a plot device which has been leading up to (in universe) teaching Hisao and (breaking through the fourth wall) informing the player how best to deal with Emi if a Good End is desired. So, given this, I can see why it might be missing from the other paths. In fact, come to think of it, if Hisao ends up joining the student council in the Shizune path (which I imagine he would), then I guess I could see how these two things might necessarily be mutually exclusive. Oh well. =\ Spoiler: show So as you can see, the club Hisao and Mutou form would appear to play a big role in the Emi path, leading me to now conclude that it's probably absent from the other four paths. But ... *sigh*, it's a real shame. ^^; 'Cause it feels damn near well canon to me. Probably always will. I guess that's what happens when you play a particular path first. You wind up feeling like that path is the canon path and all the others are the What If paths. Although ... with Ever17, I think I felt like the Tsugumi path was the canon path even though it was my second (GO TSUGUMI! ), so maybe I'm speaking too soon and the same will happen here, too. I have been avoiding spoilers and such, but when reading a thread in the Katawa Shoujo forum's Support forum, I gleaned that there may in fact possibly be Good and Bad Ends to each path, just like you'd expect from most VNs nowadays. To be perfectly honest, I don't really see the room for this in the Library subsection of the Extras section, but I guess it might be true. I could easily see how the Emi path could have had numerous bad ends along the way as well as a good end it (hopefully! ) seems to be working towards in my case. Keep this in mind, I suppose, as you guys play your own paths. Make judicious choices!
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Emi Path Good End: Get! Or at least, I think so.
Current progress: roughly 8h20m, 26% completion, back at the main menu Spoiler: show In the end, the Emi path was cute, but it just wasn't for me. Despite some revelations as you play which prove that Emi is anything but a loli, the way she's drawn (short, flat-chested, "cute as a button") really does make her the loli of the KS group. But your mileage may vary depending on how personally you can relate to Emi's story or how much you like girls like her. All of this stated ... I'm eager to dive back in and to dock either onto the Hanako path or the Shizune path. Won't be upset if I get Lilly by accident but will rage if I manage to dock onto Rin's. XFD
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So, I've started up a new playthrough, and rather than skip through the text entirely, so far I've been replaying the game from scratch, reading each screen as I go, just as though it were my first time reading it. It's not too boring by any means, as it's fun reliving some of the first encounters and some of the witty jokes or comments the scriptwriters wrote in ("with all the elegance of a rhinoceros" gets me every time), but I may start skipping previously-seen text soon. I'm eager to see if the choices I'm making are landing me on a non-Emi path or not and that if they are then whose.
Spoiler: show This time, I'm going to try and keep a closer eye on the choices I made. I'll copy and paste the list from before and I'll put in bold any new choices which I'd forgotten existed the last time I wrote up the list. This should help you guys dock onto the Emi path if you so choose. (Although I agree with BBB that it's very probable that there's this one, single choice which determines whether you dock or don't dock onto Emi's path.) (You can read this if you have completed Act 1 and/or are interested to know how to dock onto the Emi path. No Act 2+ spoilers inside.) Spoiler: show Looking forward to reading your guys' status reports tonight. It feels like it's more or less just been me these past 24 hours. =\ Not entirely, I realize, but ... really looking forward to hearing what you guys think. The more non-spoiler impressions you can share (so that I can read 'em now), the better. That's why I'm tryin' to do for you guys, too. Put the spoilers where they have to go but leave the rest outside for you to enjoy and relate to. EDIT: Just had lunch with Hanako and Emi. Updated my list of Act 1 choices (both from my first playthrough as well as from this playthrough) accordingly. EDIT 2: Just had my first run with Emi. One forgotten-about choice presented itself; has been added to the lists above. EDIT 3: Updated list to match the one which will come in a second next post. Won't be updating this list further: look to future posts for newer list updates.
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Lilly or Hanako, here we come! ...?
So, I'm about 2˝ hours into my next playthrough. I'd say I'm roughly two-thirds of the way through Act 1. My percent completion of the game is now registering at 28%, a few percentage points higher than when I completed the Emi path. (Given all the new twists I've been taking or been strung along, but also given how most of the material in Act 1 is common to all paths, this is not surprising.) Things are happening quite differently this time around given some of the choices I've made. I'm not sure which triggers trump which other triggers quite yet, but it's definitely clear to me that the Emi path appears to be something you're eligible to dock onto only if you haven't acquired too many pro-Shizune or pro-Lilly&Hanako points. Too many of the former (which I've never done yet, it seems) and you're likely invited out to lunch with them and bit by bit begin to become a part of their lives outside of school as well as inside of it. Too many of the latter, and you begin to unlock some of the scenes I've borne witness to today. Not to mention: some Emi scenes were just flat-out missing! Including the very trigger we previously suspected was required to dock onto the Emi path! Click the spoiler box for more details. (safe to click if you've ever completed Act 1 with Hanako or Lilly; I'd say it's still pretty damn same imo if you've ever completed Act 1 with any of the girls period, especially if you're wanting to find out how to get onto the Emi path) Spoiler: show Okay guys, this isn't funny any more. Doppel, you promised a status update -- a lengthy one! -- two nights ago when you told us you were going to play all night. Yesterday came and went and now it's 4pm on Saturday. What happened!? And bbb! I'm eager to learn how your adventures with Shizune and the screaming chubby have gone since the last time you spoke. Who's your next target?
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I finished Durarara!! so I haven't been sitting on my arse doing nothing! Let me finish of Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star and I'll get on track again.
That said, I might have to take back what I said about Hanako. From what people are saying, once Hisao "breaks through" her shyness, there's apparently pure love waiting for him. Promising.
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>I finished Durarara!!
So, you watched some crappy anime that you ended up hating instead of playing this awesome game that you promised me you'd play ... mmhmm, mmhmm ... >Let me finish of Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star :< Well, bbb: I guess it's just you and me. We're the only true Katawa Shoujo fans here.
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I had no idea I would end up hating Durarara!!, I did mention Baccano! was one of my highest rated shows, no? It's disappointing but momentum carried me through it.
Momentum doesn't happen much with me anymore, but it's happening now with PCSS. I'm not going to lose this. If I really focus on KS I could surpass your rate of play and that'll happen right afterward.
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I haven't been making much progress myself. I've been trying, but good god the little I've been home lately, I've been too tired and pissed off to play. I'm nearing act 4 of Shizune's path, and hopefully my pace will pick up on my upcoming days off.
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Have found my free time chewed up in the past 36 hours by this Pokemon tournament Lonely Cubone threw together, but now as things settle down and I seem to have figured out my team, I'm getting back to what I've been dying to play all weekend: more Katawa Shoujo.
Unfortunately, I seem to have maybe discovered my first personal taste of the Ren'Py Glitch Gremlins. Here's hoping that that isn't the case, but in any event, here are the two oddities I've noticed. Maybe you guys can clue me in as to whether I'm crazy or not. Spoiler: show
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Soo ...
It turns out that the Hanako+Lilly parent path starts off Hanako-heavy and winds up Lilly-heavy. Naturally, I panicked and feared the worst: that I had gone from Hanako+Lilly to Lilly Only and was heading towards a Lilly playthrough. I like Lilly, don't get me wrong, but I've been aiming for Hanako since I first read this thread years ago. But it turns out, much to my relief, that once you successfully establish to the game, "Yes, I am in fact onboard with the Hanako+Lilly path," it then presents you with a choice between the two lovely ladies, thereby determining which of the two child paths you're going to take. But ... I didn't find this out immediately. You see, I actually, at the last second, made a choice I wouldn't ordinarily make, just to see what it would do, and ... it triggered the Ultimate Bad End. I was so caught unawares by this, it was so completely unexpected, that adrenaline was pulsing through my veins for like 10 minutes straight as I read this text. You see ... ... I unlocked the Kenji path. "Kenji Path" spoilers follow! Click only if you have witnessed the Day of Despair! Spoiler: show So after I got the Bad End to end all Bad Ends , I loaded up some old save files to see if I could address the glitches in my earlier post. (I was able to verify that the checkbox is now showing up filled-in for Glitch #2, so I crossed that one off the list. Unfortunately, try as I might I can't get the Lilly+Hisao+Hanako luncheon CG to show up in my Gallery, so that glitch is going to stay put until someone confirms that I'm crazy and that there was never any such CG in the gallery to begin with. ) And then I loaded up the save file on the hill, picked the other option -- the option anyone would normally pick but which I'd avoided because I didn't want to lock in to Lilly ^^; -- and things suddenly developed much, much differently. I was so certain, though, that I was going to wind up on the Lilly path. Until ... until the game presented me with that wonderful option to go to the library instead of going to the front gate. Tomorrow, gentlemen, I have a date at the library. Details as it happens. ;D EDIT: Forgot to include and update the lists of choices made. Now provided below. Spoiler: show
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I just finished Shizune's path. I'm pretty disappointed in it. Like, not much happened at all. It was nice how it explained Sizune and Misha's mindset, but that's about all that went on. I really hope the other paths aren't like this.
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(YouTube video inside. By all means, please click if you don't consider it a spoiler to see the opening video to a path.) Spoiler: show I'll repeat what I said inside the spoiler box: I don't see any path being capable of matching what I'm about to embark upon. This is going to be good. If the floor is pulled out from under me, the fall is going to be far and heavy indeed. ^^; But I have confidence that it shan't be! Onward! Discussion about the end of Act 1 as you dock onto the Hanako path: Spoiler: show Naturally, I'm very curious about this route and have loads of questions I look forward to answering for myself as I play through the path. Questions like:
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Congrats Talon.
I need to do some serious application work today, but I'll promise to play when I can!
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