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Old 09-16-2019, 05:37 AM   #4976
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Old 09-18-2019, 03:08 AM   #4977
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So today I learned that what broke Pheromosa is not the obvious Life Orb set, but rather when she started to run Quiver Dance. I always knew Pheromosa had access to it but figured she was too frail to do anything, but at +1 Speed and with snowballing SpA boosts, just nuking off Focus Blast was enough.

Both Naganadel and Pheromosa's best sets involve Z-Moves, so I wonder about a meta where both are allowed. As we saw in ORAS, competition for a Mega slot kept some Megas like Mega Metagross from being banned, but when there was less centralizing pressure and a better environment to feast on, Meta Metagross became too centralizing for OU. My guess is Naganadel would take precedence as the much more well-rounded pick.
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Old 09-21-2019, 05:02 AM   #4978
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I was reading the RS entry on Smeargle and saw this:

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As of August 2019, Baton Pass is illegal on Smeargle, which makes some of its main sets obsolete.
Wait, what?

How does this happen? Was it discovered that Smeargle cannot learn Baton Pass in RS, retroactively? How?

I went to the OU page...

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Baton Pass Clause: Teams are limited to a maximum of three (3) Baton Pass users, and Smeargle cannot have Baton Pass in its moveset.
Oh.

Whaaat?

Smogon seems to have gone full-blown moronic now. Why not just ban the move, stupid?
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Old 09-21-2019, 11:53 AM   #4979
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Yeah Baton Pass is weird and I feel like they should just standardize it, because like

SM: banned outright
XY: banned outright

great! simple! easy to remember!

BW: Teams may not have more than one Pokemon with Baton Pass in its moveset. Additionally, Speed + another stat may not be passed.
DPP: Teams may not have more than one Pokemon with Baton Pass in its moveset. Additionally, Speed + another stat may not be passed.
RS: Teams are limited to a maximum of three (3) Baton Pass users, and Smeargle cannot have Baton Pass in its moveset.
GS: No restrictions

I get that its impact/power is different in every gen but good god all of that is annoying to remember if you're a multi-gen OU player. I've normally been very pro-Smogon over the years but the Baton Pass mess is one thing that I'm kinda eh on
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Old 09-21-2019, 12:12 PM   #4980
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Is the Baton Pass change a new thing? Usually, Smogon hates making changes to previous generations.
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Old 09-21-2019, 12:21 PM   #4981
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Is the Baton Pass change a new thing? Usually, Smogon hates making changes to previous generations.
Starting in 2018, people who hated Gen VII OU and didn't care for the other Gen VII metagames were moving back to older metas and demanding changes to fit their preferred format, i.e. exactly what is happening with the SM OU Council.

This generally isn't a problem. Latias being unbanned for DPP OU, for example, is righting a wrong even if it's "changing history".

The Baton Pass thing is repulsive because it's a complex ban. Like, the exact reason Blaziken is banned - "we don't want a slippery slope banning Speed Boost on Blaziken" - is exactly what you see in that Smeargle clause.

That's fudging ridiculous.
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Old 09-26-2019, 04:48 AM   #4982
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Old 09-27-2019, 10:07 AM   #4983
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+2 Extreme Speed from Arceus doesn't OHKO Darkrai.
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Old 09-30-2019, 11:28 AM   #4984
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So, who enjoys using Ultra Beasts in competitive?
I like running:
Clown (Blacephalon) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Shadow Ball
- Psychic
- Calm Mind

Squidward (Nihilego) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 138 SpD / 118 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic Spikes
- Sludge Wave
- Power Gem

Stingboi (Buzzwole) @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 56 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Def / 100 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Leech Life
- Drain Punch
- Thunder Punch
- Poison Jab

Christmas (Xurkitree) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Tail Glow
- Grass Knot
- Energy Ball

Useless (Guzzlord) @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SpD
Calm Nature
- Sleep Talk
- Toxic
- Knock Off
- Rest

Trump's Dreams (Stakataka) @ Chople Berry
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Def / 100 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Toxic
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Old 09-30-2019, 08:48 PM   #4985
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I'd run the UB's if one of them (like Nihilego) were a Water-type!

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I made a hypothetical sub-legend (580 BST) to try and illustrate just how limiting Pokemon is, and came to a surprising conclusion:

HP: 70
ATK: 140
DEF: 70
SPA: 100
SPD: 70
SPE: 130
=580

No matter what typing you give this thing, isn't it an Uber? So long as the ability is at least neutral like Pickup?
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Old 10-01-2019, 06:42 AM   #4986
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I'd run the UB's if one of them (like Nihilego) were a Water-type!

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I made a hypothetical sub-legend (580 BST) to try and illustrate just how limiting Pokemon is, and came to a surprising conclusion:

HP: 70
ATK: 140
DEF: 70
SPA: 100
SPD: 70
SPE: 130
=580

No matter what typing you give this thing, isn't it an Uber? So long as the ability is at least neutral like Pickup?
Hmmm, what type is it? It depends on the type. If you want to keep it out of ubers, then give it the bug or ice or poison type.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:47 AM   #4987
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Hmmm, what type is it? It depends on the type. If you want to keep it out of ubers, then give it the bug or ice or poison type.
It doesn't matter what type it is. The Poison/Ice types you suggested would be devastating against with any kind of 80 BP offensive move. Bug would be insanely irritating running U-Turn, just like Pheromosa.

252 Atk Life Orb ??? Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja-Ash: 247-292 (86.6 - 102.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

That's without a + ability, based purely on stats and and and an average STAB move. The immediacy of 140 ATK and 130 SPE and any kind of STAB makes it a deadly anti-offensive Pokemon. And 100 SPA is not the worst for running special coverage.

A Dark-type variant would basically be a buffed Darkrai. The only thing keeping Darkrai in Ubers now is Nasty Plot.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:09 PM   #4988
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I'd run the UB's if one of them (like Nihilego) were a Water-type!
Here's a hypothetical Water UB:
Aquaspillus (UB Liquid)
Just moving water...
HP 112
ATK 56
DEF 78
SP. ATK 124
SP DEF 78
SPD 122
A potential Uber?
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:01 PM   #4991
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Does Fire Blast not thaw freeze?
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Does Fire Blast not thaw freeze?
All fire moves thaw freeze, right?
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Old 10-09-2019, 04:00 PM   #4993
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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/g...ttle-989761519

Fire Blast is not breaking through the freeze. I've seen this before on Palkia as well.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:30 PM   #4994
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Fire Blast is not breaking through the freeze. I've seen this before on Palkia as well.
According to Bulbapedia, only Flame Wheel, Sacred Fire, Flare Blitz, Fusion Flare, Scald, Steam Eruption, and Burn Up will let you move even when you're frozen. Seems pretty arbitrary to me, but them's the breaks.
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Every Fire move will thaw a frozen target, but only the moves phoopes listed above instathaw a frozen user. Don't ask me why the venn diagram of those two categories isn't a circle save for like, Ember or something.
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:11 PM   #4996
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I was accidentally forced into two battles at once. In spite of this, I felt like I did well simultaneously playing and only got screwed by the final Pokemon at the end. What do you guys think?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/g...ttle-993231529
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/g...ttle-993231486

The only clearly bad play I think was not switching in Pinsir instead of Togekiss. I would have had an easier time if Togekiss wasn't more than death fodder.
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:36 AM   #4997
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Here's two battles I did:
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:41 PM   #4998
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Volcarona outspeeds Naganadel HOW?
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:05 PM   #4999
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:08 AM   #5000
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I've been banned from Showdown. =3=

Wee, this is the second major ban from a website, after getting permabanned from 4chan last year. This would be mildly funny if it wasn't so shocking.
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