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Old 07-03-2013, 09:13 AM   #1
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Indiana Dry on Sundays

NPR reports that convenience stores are fighting hard against liquor stores for the right to sell alcoholic beverages as they do.

In the state of Indiana, it's illegal for anyone to sell liquor on a Sunday. Furthermore, only liquor stores can keep alcoholic beverages refrigerated; convenience stores have to sell them at room temperature. Having lived here most of my life, I knew that this was the policy here ... but what I didn't know is that we're apparently the only state in the entire country that does this. O_o That really surprises me. I would have figured that states with greater teetotaler pasts than ours would have been right with us in banning liquor sales on Sundays.

As for the refrigeration thing, it does sound pretty unfair that only the liquor stores are allowed to do that. To use a tobacco comparison, it'd be like if the only people who were allowed to sell vacuum-sealed tobacco were specialist tobacco shops and if everyone else had to sell the stuff exposed to the air. It's clearly meant to prop up an industry that would otherwise suffer without it. So I guess the question becomes, is the liquor outlet store worth saving? Or are liquor stores a thing of the past and, unless you're looking for really hard-to-find stuff, you should just go buy your alcohol at Wal-Mart or Target? (I guess that's what most of you do do! )

Keep in mind that plenty of Hoosiers buy alcohol from grocery stores as is -- they wouldn't stock it if it didn't sell -- but the burden is on the consumer to chill it. So to me, this sounds like a bit of doom and gloom by both sides of the fence. People who don't want to support the local liquor industry are already going to be buying their Coors or Corona or Miller Lite from a grocery and chilling it on their own. And people who do want to support it are going to support it anyway. Also, it's not like most vodkas or bourbons are refrigerated. At least not in my experience? Liquor stores sell them at room temperature and my friends keep theirs on racks or shelfs at room temperature, not in the fridge. Only beer ever seems to go in the fridge, so I'd think that only beer is really going to be impacted by this either way. And again, it's not like Hoosiers aren't already buying beer from groceries and supermarkets during the other six days of the week. So I feel like while both sides are probably right that millions of dollars are at stake here, I don't feel like the consumer is really going to tell the difference. Do legalize sales on Sundays and grocery outlets selling it chilled or don't: makes little difference.

Then again, I don't ever drink or buy alcohol, so maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about.

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Old 07-03-2013, 09:49 AM   #2
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It's really annoying that they don't sell on Sundays.

That said, I think this is more a problem for people who have just made the split decision to go out and buy something to drink. For example, this affects college students who have decided randomly to have a party more than it affects me, who barely drinks at all. Whenever I purchase alcohol, I always know in advance when I'll be drinking it and with whom, so the instant gratification of a cold drink isn't an issue.

That aside, the law is stupid and should be repealed. I'd be interested in seeing how much alcohol is actually bought on Sundays in liquor stores, versus purchases the rest of the week.

Also, who just leaves liquor at room temperature? I've always put my liquor in the freezer, I thought that's how everyone did it?
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:01 AM   #3
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Also, who just leaves liquor at room temperature? I've always put my liquor in the freezer, I thought that's how everyone did it?
Just speaking from personal experience ...
  • my father used to keep scotch and whiskey in their glass bottles outside the fridge
  • one friend in college had a house whose living room had a sideroom that he converted into a bar (which served actual tap beer and such), and he kept all of the liquors for mixed drinks outside of any refrigeration system
  • a second friend own a house here in town, and in his basement he has a literal "top shelf" (a tiny little shelf he keeps above the seating bar) where he keeps his top shelf stuff, namely a $100 vodka, some absinthe, his $100-$200 bourbon, and some other $100+ alcohols I'm not entirely sure what they are
The same friend in the last bullet also keeps some cheap Smirnoff that he keeps in the fridge at all times as well as some other cheapo stuff, but as far as his bourbons and such, no, those are all at room temperature.

Maybe I just have weird friends and family. *shrug* Or maybe not. I dunno. I imagine UPNers will love to let us know shortly whether they keep their non-beers chilled or not.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:08 AM   #4
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The OP is literally like reading articles about traditional Japanese families. Man, very alien. In this country it's difficult to think of any kind that sells any type of food beyond generic confectionery that doesn't also sell alcohol. Convenience stores definitely sell a whole lot of alcohol a lot of the time here (many of them 24 hours a day) and we can even have booze delivered 24 hours. I mean, I'm sure such things can be done in certain parts of America but prohibition throwback is fucking weird.

On the whole chilled alcohol thing, though, certain stuff is meant to be kept at room temperature or hotter. So there'd be ways around such restrictions that didn't involve selling warm shite. Red wine, for example, should be room temperature or warmer.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:44 PM   #5
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Yeah. Liquor shops here don't sell beer and rarely carry chilled wine, so there's no real need for refrigeration. But the supermarkets here definitely do put beer in fridges. Hell, even pharmacies sell beer from the fridge.

Also, I think we almost phased out the dry Sunday laws here too. I think the sale of alcohol is only restricted prior to noon on Sunday. So the afternoon is still fine.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:26 PM   #6
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Yeah. Liquor shops here don't sell beer and rarely carry chilled wine, so there's no real need for refrigeration. But the supermarkets here definitely do put beer in fridges. Hell, even pharmacies sell beer from the fridge.

Also, I think we almost phased out the dry Sunday laws here too. I think the sale of alcohol is only restricted prior to noon on Sunday. So the afternoon is still fine.
What the fuck.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:32 PM   #7
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What the fuck.
In order to compete / stay afloat / I don't know don't ask me, most of the major American retail pharmacy chains have essentially become convenience stores, the only difference being:
  • supermart (e.g. Wal-Mart) = say we arbitrarily call it an even distribution of stuff
  • groceries (e.g. Kroger) = 80% food and household items but 20% all manner of other things (including a birthday card aisle, a miniature pharmacy, and currently popular literature)
  • pharmacies (e.g. CVS, Walgreens) = 33% medications, with a glamorously large pharmacy desk in the back of the store; 33% toiletries and cosmetics; 33% other things you'd find in a convenience store (bottled soda, refrigerated drinks, paper plates and napkins, plastic dishware, coffee, candy & chocolates, chips/crisps, laundry detergent, Kodak film back in the day, batteries, crossword puzzle books, list goes on)
Basically, modern American pharmacies are like a miniature Wal-Mart whose primary focus is medicines; modern American groceries are like a miniature Wal-Mart whose primary focus is food; and Wal-Mart's still Wal-Mart.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:43 PM   #8
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YOU CAN BUY ALCOHOL. IN A PBARMACY. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

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I mean it's not that weird because, for example, I could buy painkillers and whiskey in a Tescos. But it's reasonably likely that they'll refuse to sell it to you (this has happened to me, and no I was not trying to top myself I was just planning ahead for the next morning). And to a lesser extent our pharmacies are like that too. Less of the cutlery and puzzle books and fucking alcohol seriously what though.
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:22 PM   #9
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I'm not sure if they sell alcohol in ours. I'll have to look. Haven't been to a pharmacy in about 1-2 years, and never ever go to their "grocery" section because everything is way, way overpriced and I also just don't like the thought of buying things that will be going into my mouth in a place that is so frequented by sick people. (Always been that way. Have the same attitude regarding eating in the hospital. ^_^; )
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:23 PM   #10
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Indiana may be the only state to do this, but plenty of counties in Georgia have done this for years. Fulton County, home to Atlanta and most of the Metro population, was under these blue laws for years until the county dropped it and let each individual municipality decide.

It's pretty prevalent in the South, really, and there are actually many counties in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, and other southern states that are 100% dry all the time.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:37 PM   #11
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Talon, I know that Circle Ks don't sell alcohol, which is reaaaaally weird. Dunno if that's because of the college, though.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:40 PM   #12
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I'm curious if Alabama does it. I know California didn't. I lived right by a liquor store and the crazy Indian guys would have shot anyone who told them they couldn't sell beer on Sunday.

Also, I just came back from buying milk at CVS. It totally is just like a convini to me. There was beer/wine in one of the aisles. We should snap photos to further nucleate Kush's mind.
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:47 AM   #13
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Connecticut used to have Dry Sundays for quite a while now, and I think it was only appealed in the last year.
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