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Old 11-13-2017, 02:47 AM   #3976
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Old 11-13-2017, 02:51 AM   #3977
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Let's not forget that he also has a bromance with Xi Jingping and Putin. I honestly can't recall another US President who had such cozy romances with strongmen. FDR had a war-time partnership with Stalin which is well known, Bush Jr "saw into the soul" of Putin and was out-chessed, and we have had other leaders who have known when to WORK with other leaders, but this Failure in Chief genuinely loves the company of these guys...it's....like a bad troll's fanfic of what the worst president of all time would be like.
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:32 AM   #3978
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Trump likes to dilute himself into thinking that everyone is his friend, especially when faced with them in person. He talks a big talk to win over people at home but when it comes to actually doing business with other countries, he'll make himself look friendly to make himself look good.
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Old 11-13-2017, 12:20 PM   #3979
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I think it's more a matter of Trump fancying himself a tough guy, and being flattered by tough guys helps pad his ego.

Make no mistake: Duterte is indeed tough. So is Putin. Both are cutthroat. Trump is a pretender and a wannabe.
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Old 11-13-2017, 01:06 PM   #3980
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I think it's more a matter of Trump fancying himself a tough guy, and being flattered by tough guys helps pad his ego.

Make no mistake: Duterte is indeed tough. So is Putin. Both are cutthroat. Trump is a pretender and a wannabe.
If Trump was as "tough" as Duterte or Putin, he would certainly be doing a shitton of unconstitutional things. But since he's not, he's a "pretender and a wannabe". IDGI
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I think it's more a matter of Trump fancying himself a tough guy, and being flattered by tough guys helps pad his ego.

Make no mistake: Duterte is indeed tough. So is Putin. Both are cutthroat. Trump is a pretender and a wannabe.
Right, my issue with his wannabe attitude is that he isn't just some kid who wants to be buddies with the tough kids on the football time, but rather, is supposed to represent America as the "leader of the free world" (not that any of us believe that jargon, but his actions are light-years away from that.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:07 PM   #3982
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Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, which would have been amazingly ballsy if I think Trump really understood the gravitas of doing so.
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From the perspective of someone who has absolutely no understanding of Isreali-Palestinian geopolitics, it seems like a no-brainer.
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Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, which would have been amazingly ballsy if I think Trump really understood the gravitas of doing so.
This may just be the stupidest thing he has done
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:08 AM   #3985
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From the perspective of someone who has absolutely no understanding of Isreali-Palestinian geopolitics, it seems like a no-brainer.
In the sense that the US basically carved Israel out of the Palestinian territories at the end of World War II, yes, and it seems contradictory that the US would support the hard part but not the easy one. I don't know why the US didn't initiate this earlier, considering the rampant anti-semitism in Europe and Russia.

This doubles down on the US' support of Israel which was already policy to begin with.
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Dumb on so many levels. Not least of which is Trump's own self interest; he probably just alienated a huge chunk of his fanbase (virulent Jew haters).
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Dumb on so many levels. Not least of which is Trump's own self interest; he probably just alienated a huge chunk of his fanbase (virulent Jew haters).
McSweeney.... I envy you.

You live in a country that is not run by an asshole and where Health Care is a human right. Living in Northern Massachusetts, i'm not far away.... I might just join you Canadians one day.... I just hate the cold..... but with the US led denial of Climate Change going on, maybe being cold wont be much of an issue too much longer down the road

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Dumb on so many levels. Not least of which is Trump's own self interest; he probably just alienated a huge chunk of his fanbase (virulent Jew haters).
I...umm

...I wonder how many anti-semites support Isreal over Palestinians having Jerusalem and what not
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Fox: "I wholeheartedly approve this move. I am so sick of Jermusilm".
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...I wonder how many anti-semites support Isreal over Palestinians having Jerusalem and what not
I'm telling you those guys are nuts. They despise Jews SO MUCH that they would sooner support a brown Muslim than a white looking Jew.

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McSweeney.... I envy you.

You live in a country that is not run by an asshole and where Health Care is a human right. Living in Northern Massachusetts, i'm not far away.... I might just join you Canadians one day.... I just hate the cold..... but with the US led denial of Climate Change going on, maybe being cold wont be much of an issue too much longer down the road
I'm not a big fan of Trudeau. He's a nice guy but he's incompetent. He does wonders as an ambassador though.

You could always live on the west or east coast, they have mild temperatures and don't drop too far below 0 C in the winter (eg Victoria, BC). This guide on moving to Canada because of Trump is pretty funny. It was made by a somewhat notorious right-wing Canadian group though so it's biased and has a bunch of inaccuracies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIH-J3uLN3E
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would have made more sense if they came at him before the filing deadline or at any point in the last 30 years? if that happened, lmk
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They withheld the information until after he was nominated, which is diabolical for two reasons: one, it did a disservice to the victims by deliberately withholding information (it should have been released ASAP), and two it turned the large public against the sexual harassment movement by very transparently weaponizing the allegations.

The Democrats are ruthless, and in their desire to defeat Trump at all costs they've making themselves easy villains - the Al Franken fiasco certainly didn't help. Women and social justice are the real losers in this since the blatant weaponizing is going to mean more people react negatively to honest allegations of harassment or molestation.
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would have made more sense if they came at him before the filing deadline or at any point in the last 30 years? if that happened, lmk
the guy spent a suspicious amount of time around teenage girls and a few women tried to get him banned from a shopping mall because he would harass some of the girls there.

you can try to argue that it's politically motivated because he's running for election soon, but do remember that this is also riding the wake of the weinstein/spacey/etc. scandals and could be motivated by that more than anything else.

regardless moore has made some INTERESTING comments about race and slavery. i have heard that alabama's 31% black population is going to really turn out for this election...and they are not going to vote for moore.
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regardless moore has made some INTERESTING comments about race and slavery. i have heard that alabama's 31% black population is going to really turn out for this election...and they are not going to vote for moore.
I admit, I know nothing about this guy. In fact, this is the first time I've heard of "Roy Moore" in my whole life. But I examined that article and I don't like how they're accusing him of supporting slavery because of those comments.

"I think it was great at the time when families were united — even though we had slavery. They cared for one another. People were strong in the families. Our families were strong. Our country had a direction."

So now people are taking this quote as him saying something like, "America was great when slavery was going on." I interpret it as him saying, "America was great back then, even though there were bad things like slavery, family values were good and the country had a sense of direction." Yes, maybe he should have called out slavery more than he did but it's a reach to say that he was supporting it.

Again, I know nothing about this guy and he could have well said worse things that actually were racist, but people shouldn't distort this one quote like that.
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I agree that we shouldn't be so quick to hop on people for making racially sensitive comments, especially when he clearly aligned himself with the "slavery is bad" camp! That quote is not something I care about a whole lot because as you noted, it's not something you can sink your teeth into. I wouldn't have linked the article if he didn't make some indefensible statements beyond the first.

In general it can be really hard to slam a politician for saying something because they always work hard to couch their language in terms that their opponents can't latch onto.

However, implying the 14th amendment was a mistake is pretty damning:

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13th amendment banned slavery but 14th drove it into the ground, as well as being explicitly pro-immigrant. I believe that's the case against jus soli - that it's abused by illegal immigrants who want to cement their grip on the country. You could talk about the racial implications of opposing jus soli, but I'm not sure it's that relevant - if your opinion is that unskilled immigrants make the country worse, that doesn't HAVE to be a racially charged statement. And it's not like jus sanguinis is that terrible.

Buuuuuuut it would be a significant step backwards for civil rights, and is one of the major justifications for several extremely important civil rights acts.

Also Moore argued specifically that the Bill of Rights was all we need, which would put the 19th amendment (women's suffrage) and the 13th amendment (abolishes slavery) under jeopardy too. Which is REALLY insensitive and definitely something to keep an eye on.
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They withheld the information until after he was nominated, which is diabolical for two reasons: one, it did a disservice to the victims by deliberately withholding information (it should have been released ASAP), and two it turned the large public against the sexual harassment movement by very transparently weaponizing the allegations.

The Democrats are ruthless, and in their desire to defeat Trump at all costs they've making themselves easy villains - the Al Franken fiasco certainly didn't help. Women and social justice are the real losers in this since the blatant weaponizing is going to mean more people react negatively to honest allegations of harassment or molestation.
I mean, the simpler and more accurate explanation is that the allegations came out on the backs of the Weinstein scandals and the #metoo movement, which for the first time in quite a while allowed for a national safe period where people thought they had strength in numbers. That makes considerably more sense than the Democratic party orchestrating the timing of the allegations (especially considering one of the accusers was a Republican and a Trump supporter themselves) to a specific timing to try and scuttle a Senate race. It's in the same vein as saying the "Al Franken fiasco" was actually an attempt by the Republicans to distract people and take the heat off Moore by showing the Democrats weren't squeaky clean either (which everyone knows, to be honest).

Not to mention its the same tone as many people have cried out about sexual assault/harassment allegations in the past that they were deliberately withheld until the right time when a person could get money or fame from the allegation...which is patently false. Peddling that narrative and similar narrative hurts victims far more than the opposite because now you're asking people to come forward ASAP otherwise you're dismissing their story. Not everyone can do that, sometimes people are in unsafe situations and putting themselves or others at risk by doing so. It's also a traumatic experience in many cases (especially, I would say, with some of Roy Moore's victims), so there is that as well.
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