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01-22-2023, 02:01 PM
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Wry Rhyme Goodfellow
 
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Just letting people know Okiku has messaged me saying that she has been watching the thread, but isn't available until next weekend to make a post in response to the discussion.
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01-23-2023, 09:50 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2021
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Auras are kind of tricky to me. The rule of cool dictates that it absolutely should be re-implemented, but I feel like they should either be purely cosmetic and have no effect on FB itself outside of flavor like most of what's being sold inside the Boutique or have a requirement a little more stringent than maxing out your bond so that it doesn't break everything, even if breaking everything is pretty much a given for most people at this point, as well as it being accessible to Pokémon that might not exactly enjoy their trainer's company. I'm not sure what that requirement would be however—possibly something per person so that it doesn't get in the way of anyone's plans.
Disabilities are also a very touchy subject for a different reason. On paper I'm all for it; it opens up a lot more characterization possibilities. The issue here is more of a "write what you know" thing; there's a non-zero chance that someone will, most likely unintentionally, write one in a way that could be seen as offensive. Obviously I don't think anyone currently in FB is at risk of this but I do recommend that some sort of contingency is strongly considered just in case something does happen and it needs to be acted upon. Drawing sprites/art for FC is a neat idea. I'd also try to put something in place for situations where multiple people end up working on the same request, as unlikely as that is considering how few of us actively illustrate things anymore. Someone might feel cheated out of their hard-earned Staff Fun Bucks™ if it's a first-come, first serve type activity. Again I just think proportional size changes should be free without any extra strings attached. Trying to be game-accurate would be an exercise in everyone's patience because there doesn't seem to be an easily accessible resource for each Pokémon's height range beyond poking through the game's data. I'm going to reiterate that the current limits should be kept for obvious reasons but everything else should be fine as is.
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01-25-2023, 06:21 PM
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Well I usually don't have much helpful to say, and I probably still don't, but let's give it a shot because this shop is probably the one I have the most attachment to:
Size! We live in a world where Totems, Titans, and Alphas all naturally occur. I don't think we should need to justify this kind of thing anymore, to be perfectly honest. I'd be fine if the limits stayed as they were, but I'd fully support an expansion of their range as well. And with proportions I again just don't see a problem; What, inherently, is wrong with someone wanting a Rampardos that's two feet wide? I think it's more amusing than anything. Disability! Ough. I share Blu3's concerns, especially as the kind of person who writes myself into a corner enough without having to deal with things like misrepresentation or accidental ignorance. But much as I hesitate and go back-and-forth, I know that this is the kind of enormous step forward that - despite the bevy of sharp stones waiting for us when we take that step - is sure to permanently improve the Fizzy Bubbles experience. There's a lot of care that has to be taken and wrinkles to work out, but if anyone can do it it's y'all. Auras?...nah I'm staying out of this one. I have no horse in this race and honestly no idea what to do with the whole concept. |
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01-26-2023, 08:55 AM
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I really like the idea of being able to do some art or sprites or whatever for reward in fb so allowing regular members to take requests for stuff would be really neat. Like little liscesnsed storefronts or whatever. Idk. Seems fun.
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01-28-2023, 07:35 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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Apologies for not answering stuff as quickly as usual! (And thank you Lit for giving everyone a heads up of my predicament =3= )
Sizing Happy to hear my idea of making the regular sizing free, with the sizing "system" being kept as is! I would actually step it up a notch and say it can work just like the "gen color variants": you don't need to register them in the Boutique, you can just change it however you want at your own leasure. Combining services I don't mind combining a few Pokémon specific things like Furfrou and Mimikyu, if it's to simplify things for readability! It's more of a post size and reformatting, which I don't mind. Auras I'm all for them, but I also have no clue how to tackle them ^^; Bond requirement, LP, small adventure usage? Bring it on! Although I'm not sure about you guys, but I find that auras doesn't quite fit the Boutique, other than the cosmetic part, especially if we're adding functionality to them? Maybe it's just me. However it is implemented though, I'm all for it! Sprite Artists While I don't mind doing the work myself, I'm fully open for that! Admittedly while I consider myself pretty good, making some sprites from scratch can be a bit difficult for me, and I know some peeps would be open to do that! My question is: How do we work that in? Should they be considered as SOs of sorts? Should the person making the request ask who they want to do the sprites, or it's a "first reply first making the sprite/gets the FC"? I would lean towards having the requester ask who they want to commission the sprites, and if they don't specify anyone, it's whoever replies to them first. As for art that's besides Pokémon, Pokédex, Z-ring and co that are being rewarded in exchange, technically it has already happened in the past! (I made the Black Lotus Scarf, Eau De Bellossom, a Gengar trophy...) so I wouldn't mind to add that to the post to make things more clear and official that anything sprites can be done! But I've got a bold idea here, leaning on Lilblue's idea of making a sprite request Discord channel: How about making everything sprites into a separate shop? Part so spritework is not longer "linked" exclusively to Boutique stuff, part so we can make it function more clearly with the various artists (could work in a way that while there's "official" artists, it's possible to have anyone can do spritework for FC as long as both the artist and the requester confirms, a bit like the Trade Center), part so those not in the Discord can stay in the loop and the FC claims can be tracked more properly? That said the Boutique isn't a big busy shop anyways so perhaps it wouldn't be as chaotic as I think it would be. Pokémon disabilities I agree that while it is technically a Boutique point (it was "spawned" on the point of scars, and some disabilities can be seen via their body or accessories), this is a subject that doesn't belong there, and disallowing them is ableist and restricts on what should be the core of FB: creative freedom. If trainers can be disabled, why not Pokémon? I believe it should be something that can be decided on the person themselves, just like a person decides on a Pokémon's personality. The only downside I see of this is the fact that it can be used in a way that can insult those with those disabilities (as blu3 mentioned; I salute you o7), but I guess that's what mods are for? Contest items Removing them? No problemo. They were there mostly as a reminder that we don't sell them, but at this point I think it's no longer needed. Use of the Boutique I mean, in general anything from the Boutique shouldn't be useful in terms of the mechanics of pokémon battles (to not make things OP and keep as much as possible close to the games), so I just see the Boutique as something to add more flavor XP |
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02-05-2023, 03:17 PM
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Wry Rhyme Goodfellow
Join Date: May 2013
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Just posting here ot keep the discussion going, but I pretty much agree with everything Okiku has said. Would like to have a rewritten shop OP sent to us, so we can start getting moving on other places.
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02-17-2023, 11:55 PM
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Droppin' CDs and beats
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Just to let other peeps know: I submitted my draft of my shop OP to the mods last week, so just waiting for Mod Spheal of approval before sharing it here! (But they got a lot of their plate for obvious reasons, so give it some time =3= )
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03-09-2023, 06:20 PM
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Droppin' CDs and beats
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Apologies for the delay! Got the mods' thumbs up, so here's the proposed new and improved Boutique first post! (If there's any formatting issues, I'll fix them when it'll be officially replacing the first post; big text is a pain to edit on mobile)
Mew à la Mode Boutique Spoiler: show Pokémon-Related Services Special Characteristics Registration Spoiler: show Some aspects of Pokémon can be different from the usual: coloring, birthmarks, scars, and unusual height and weight... all should be registered here! General Special Characteristic Rules: (Applies to all Special Characteristics)
Available Special Characteristics and related rules: Coloring ($100): Color(s) of the fur, skin, scales, feathers, etc. that varies from the normal colors. We are the only place in the world able to register this particular and unusual trait, so it's no surprise it is the most popular characteristic to register!
Birthmarks ($50): Includes freckles, spots, and stripes. Scars ($50): Includes scratches, burns and other lasting marks made by injuries. Life as a Pokémon can be really rough. It is no surprise to see a scar here and there.
Disproportionate Size ($100): Height and weight that differ from the average of its species and from each other. I mean, Pokémon comes in all shapes and sizes between species, but also within the same species!
Available trims: Spoiler: show Want your pooch to have its casual, natural coat back? No problem! For $50, we can undo its special trim.  Pikachu & Eevee Hairstyles: Giving a little extra flair to your Pikachu or Eevee is easy, and only for $50! We can give your mouse or evolution Pokémon the following hairstyles: Spoiler: show If you changed your mind and want to go back au naturel, we can remove a Pikachu's or Eevee's special hairstyle for $10. Mimikyu Alternate Costumes: Does your Mimikyu want a costume other than a Pikachu's? We'll help them by providing the materials and sharing expert sewing advice, all at the low cost of $100! Mimikyu is very well known to wear a homemade Pikachu costume in the hopes of sharing some of the bright spotlight the electric Pokémon has. However, we are aware that Mimikyu can be envious of another Pokémon's popularity... and we're here to help them! A few rules and notes applies:
 For just $150, you can purchase and use our Natural Spray, which removes any (of your choice) or all recoloring and special characteristics on a single Pokémon, in which you can then replace the removed modifications with new ones afterwards. Just make sure you use it here so we can take note of your Pokémon's changes. (We also want to make sure you use the Natural Spray correctly, so you don't hurt your Pokémon by accident!) If you want to dress up your Pokémon just for fun, this is the right place! Pretty much any piece of clothing or accessory of any design of your choice can be purchased: Spoiler: show Let your imagination and inner fashion designer go wild!
For $25, we can transfer the data of your current Pokédex into a brand new, basic red Pokédex from any region (including regions from spin-off games) of your choice! We can also custom design your Pokédex, for a fee of $50. Just say what color/design you want, and we'll take care of the rest! Need another, separate Pokédex for some reason? No problem! You can buy a new one for $100. It includes both the choice of Pokédex type and the custom design, so make it in any way you like! As for copying your first Pokédex's data into your new one, that'll be at your discretion. For $250 each, we offer the following Mega and Z-products and services:
To change a Pokémon's round pocket-sized home, give it to us (preferably temporarily without its resident, for security measures) along with a payment of $250 and a description on its new look!
For anything you want, whenever it is for a Pokémon, a new custom item, your trainer self, or anything else you can imagine, for $100 per subject (Pokémon/item/trainer) you can request us to create a small sprite or other piece of art for it! If you have a specific artstyle in mind or just want to support someone specifically (as every artist is paid 1 FC per sprite/art!), you can file your commission to a specific artist! [COLOR=pink][U]Available Artists:[SIZE=4]
Due to the unusual nature and work needed of this service, special rules are applied:[*]Sprites/art have to be requested; Not requesting one will not get you one by default. Seems obvious, but our lawyers ask us to remind you, just in case![*]If no artist is specified on a sprite/art request, I (OkikuMew) will be the artist by default.[*]A member can only request 4 sprites every 30 days. Art takes time! You can't rush art![*]Due to various reasons (time constraints, changes not visible on sprites, sprite too complex, etc) it is possible a sprite/art cannot be created by the artist. Whenever it is the case, the artist will notify you, and you will have the choice of either not being charged/paid back, or choose a different artist that can fulfill the request instead.
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Boutique Zone Rewards: General Rules As a reward for an adventure in a zone, it is possible to get a specific but free use of a service or an item from the Boutique. All rules above concerning those services and items are still applied. However, there is rules that applies only for zone rewards, and some existing rules are relaxed specifically for zone rewards:
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03-12-2023, 04:47 PM
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Wry Rhyme Goodfellow
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Fizzy Bubbles
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Considering the mods have already approved for this to go live and the discussion has stalled, we're going to be calling the discussion here before it stalls even harder. New shop will be posted soon.
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03-12-2023, 05:11 PM
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Wry Rhyme Goodfellow
Join Date: May 2013
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Hey guys it's everyone's favorite BIRD SHOP SO here. I've been working on redoing the Cram for a long while, and it's finally up for discussion for the community! So, we know that the Cram shop has had a bit of a tumultuous history, and that part of its functions has been ignored. So, I've worked on the shop a lot behind the scenes and have completely overhauled things in terms of the crafting portion of the shop. So, here are a few things that I am proposing for it.
First: The introduction of crafting materials in the game. These are meant to be given out in multitudes throughout adventures, available in bundles at the department store, and as possible rewards, you can get through staff rewards. Of course, this will affect a lot of things, so that part will need to get other mod approval first. Second: Expanded crafting list. I have toiled to make a lot of things accessible using these new PLA materials, as well as items already existing in the game. This should allow you to see an alternate route to custom items and other items, especially those not available through other means at this time. Things such as Plushies and so forth are included in the lists, which I'll include in the post. Third: Changing of the gacha. I have retooled the rates and moved items around. Materials will account for 40%, Basic Goods at 25%, Non-Custom Move Learning Items at 15%, Luxury Goods at 10%, Custom Goods at 7%, and Collector's Goods at 3%. While I still would like to keep the lists themselves more closed off to keep the surprise, a lot of things were moved down or around to have bigger pools. Additionally, I would like to discuss a few things for the gacha. While usually, we had a 4 to 4 that changed to a 5 to 4, I want to see where the community is with this. The gacha part is meant to be more to recycle unwanted items with a chance at something new. One of my proposals is to make it so Materials can't be recycled into the cram, but any other item, regardless of source, can. Note, this means items solely used to craft other items, not items that may be used in recipes even if not a specific crafting material. Some materials are items with other effects, but that only applies to a small grouping. Furthermore, I want to see if the community is more comfortable with a 4 Items in for 3 items out with no guarantee, or 5 Items in for 4 items out with a guarantee. While I would say we can also make it paid, loosening the restrictions on the items still allows you to "pay" for it without just dropping direct money. Anyways, here are what I'll be considered as materials for the purpose of the shop, which includes the new crafting mats. Following this list will be the new recipe list. Materials Spoiler: show Recipes Spoiler: show So please, any comments, suggestions, ETC! All would be appreciated. |
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03-12-2023, 10:16 PM
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Amor omnibus
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
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THIS IS OUTLANDISH WHERE IS THE ARCANINE PLUSHIES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Now that I am done frothing at the mouth here, I'd like to say as a moderator and a community member. I 100% approve of all except the part where we go from a 5 to 4 to like a 4 to 3 ( If I understand it correctly ) I understand that its up to chance but I'd prefer to have it stay OR at the very least if you do more than the = to = ratio you could have some of that thrown to juice up your chances for the higher rarer pools. Otherwise everything looks good here and I am in full support of it
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03-12-2023, 10:35 PM
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I'm basically gonna echo what Enigma said here. This looks pretty good, in favor of keeping it at 5 in 4 out with a guarantee, but by and large, liking what I'm seeing.
As far as the Star Ball goes, I can try and throw a sprite together for it, but I'm imagining we're more concerned with the effect the ball would have, yeah? There's five types Team Star's bosses specialize in, that seems like an obvious starting point, the question is, would that be a bit much, having the ball work better on five different types?
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03-12-2023, 10:42 PM
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Amor omnibus
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In terms of that, I am hard in favor of having all five balls...
Buuuut, IF there was a way we could condense down the design into something simple and all of them included
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03-12-2023, 10:44 PM
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Ooh, I like that idea! Now I wanna see what I can do with this...
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03-13-2023, 12:20 AM
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Wry Rhyme Goodfellow
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Yeah uh, not related to the discussion at hand MM.
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03-13-2023, 01:52 AM
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Just popping in for this one, the crafting recipes look sensible, and if the mats are being handed out as often as intended then it all sounds good! As for the gacha, I personally prefer the 5 for 4
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03-13-2023, 08:43 AM
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So at first blush I was a little bit of two minds about the crafting as a widespread addition to the reward system. My hesitation comes from putting what seems to be a significant portion of rewards behind one shop and adding that extra step of inventory management rather than just handing out the items as rewards directly. But after thinking on it for a bit I do think being able customize your own rewards and work toward your own item based goals would ultimately outweigh the latter, and it’s not like we seem to have much issue behind shops getting terribly backed up. I think it only came to mind because this was the one shop that had to shut down from burnout but iirc that was more burnout on the Gacha end. Ultimately I end up in favor of most everything here, at least for the first and second points. I might also throw out there that it may be a good option to make some Mat drops guaranteed rewards based on the zone or subarea? Like the Forest of Wands in The Mystical Realm always gets you apricorns etc. and that’s mentioned in their descriptions. Just a thought, not married to the idea.
As for the third maybe this is a just me problem, and I think I understand the reasoning behind not wanting to put materials back into the gacha to prevent recursive entries, but if one of the reasons that function exists is to get rid of unwanted items off the character sheet I might worry that making materials a big part of the output might not completely solve the problem. For instance, I’ve got a bunch of mismatched shards from the old version disproportionate to my current need for evo stones so if I roll more, especially more of colors I don’t have a match for, that’s not really beneficial. How often have materials piled up in video games with crafting systems for items that you just don’t use? If I decide I don’t need pokeballs but keep rolling tumblestones every week they’re gonna similarly build up. Maybe there could be a “cash out” option for each level of rarity of output? Something that’s not quite economically efficient, especially compared to posting, but gets you something a little more tangible than a Material you now have to sit on or arrange to trade away. My first rough thought would be $25 per rarity level. You just say as you’re posting to pick up: “ I’m claiming x y and Z and then A as ‘insert amount’ in cash” Other than that I would say I’m more heavily in favor of 5 for 4 with a Guarantee. Not only does 4 feel like a more awkward number to work with than 5, but that guarantee would be pretty important (to me at least) for enjoying the gacha. Without it I feel like it could lead to fomo that’s at least somewhat avoidable. Someone else rolling that 3% breeds a lot more envy if it’s just straight odds but it’s less annoying if my results aren’t as disappointing in comparison with something guaranteed mid or high range. Maybe that comes off a little entitled but with no one profiting off of Fizzy or it’s gachas I don’t see a ton of reason it can’t be on the consumer friendlier end. Though in fairness this feeling is rooted in the current level of rarity of items and custom Fizzy stuff so it may have a different impact alongside the crafting system. But even then I think 5 is still the nicer number to work with. Overall though, lots of good stuff and can tell the work and care that went into this, especially the recipes. Gj Lit. |
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03-13-2023, 06:08 PM
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I agree with the 5 for 4 with a guarantee. As much as I love pure gscha, I don't know if I want full pain gacha in fizzy. As for materials for the Cram/the recipes, I also like this because it encourages smaller more frequent rewards for adventures.
Very good work Leo. I don't see any big concerns/problems.
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03-16-2023, 12:42 PM
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Wry Rhyme Goodfellow
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Alright, so it seems that those who have responded prefer to keep the gacha aspect as a 5 to 4 guarantee. I would love to see more discussion on the topic though before trying to push this with the other mods, as only a small amount of the community has posted.
To address Big's concern about burnout, the main burnout I was dealing with was having to manually roll everything every week despite asking for it to be implemented into the bot like with eggs. Though, I have found a solution that'll allow me to spend a lot less time with the weekly gacha rolls that'll be worked into the sheet itself. As for recipes for things that have been documented since I made the list that isn't in the recipe list, I'm open to suggestions. I won't be working on them right now, as just getting the base shop live again is a major plan, but I'll make sure they get addressed and added. |
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03-16-2023, 01:01 PM
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I see nothing wrong with keeping to the 5-4 ratio, though agree with some concerns over simplifying the recipe list because my eyes went crossed as I scrolled down the list.
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03-16-2023, 08:58 PM
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OK, glad you've found a solution that'll result in less burnout.
As for recipe suggestions, I want to do this, but need the time to look things over and think about things, which today has not afforded me. I'll see what I can come up with, and I promise I won't try suggesting a horribly convoluted Master Ball recipe this time. I mean, unless you're more open to the idea than you were last time I said something on the matter- *shot* ...No Master Ball. Got it. Message received and understood. I'll think of something, is my point.
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Systems-wise, I like this. Materials allows me to drop bigger bundles of rewards on players without having to keep Bulba or Serebii handy, and if I know someone is working towards an item on a mema or such I can drop a handful of materials related to it if the item itself would be too big a reward. Really, just having more ways of getting hold of FB's many custom items would be a good idea.
My only issue is more a presentation of information thing. Like Raves said there's a lot going on with that list, but the more I read it the more I notice that a lot of the recipes have Material A and Material B be fixed, plus one variable material that determines the end product. We could condense these down to Pokeballs always using an apricorn and tumblestone, and just list the third ingredient that each variety needs (with exception to the Johtonian and special balls). I think this would make the crafting table look way less intimidating when all those redundancies are cut down.
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I mean chain creations are already fine if everything is properly worked out in the submission post, but I rather keep the crafting materials route then just say "Pokeball + X". it is a lot better in terms of adventure rewards to be able to give out a bunch of materials when you're at a point where you should give rewards but don't feel like you can give out anything too too major. I will say Shadow's suggestion is probably better, but I will also be reformatting the crafting lists to look a lot better which should help out.
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