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Old 09-17-2019, 04:34 PM   #101
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The mass exodus of writers after XY, in addition to Tomioka not working on the show much anymore, is sad. All those writers were there from the start of the show in Kanto. They built the show from what it was all these years, and that's why to a lot of people, XY felt like a "endgame" or "series finale" type saga when it was airing, it felt like the epitome of everything before it. I really wonder why so many left.

SM has had some good episodes/writing, but it is odd that it feels like XY was the end of the "old series" as we know it. Which is even more odd because DP before that felt the same way.
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Old 09-17-2019, 09:46 PM   #102
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XY feels like it does due to the influence of director Tetsuo Yajima. Old dogs don't learn new tricks, and those writers were doing the same thing they've been doing since Kanto: running gags and generic, detached filler plots. XY is filled to the brim with this, and it's why I dropped that series originally. It was too repetitive and boring.

Matsui is the head writer for SM and she made it into a proper character-driven anime. It's not perfect, but the highs are still highs and the lows not that low. The fact that I can compare Sun & Moon to the original Fullmetal Alchemist and be totally serious speaks to just how much it caught up.
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Old 09-18-2019, 06:24 AM   #103
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Yeah, but you can say that about any old saga from Johto onward. If you skip over the more dull/repetitive filler and only watch the plot-related aspects of each saga, as well as some of the funnier/best fillers, you can have a fun time watching any old saga. The main problem is basically the Team Rocket formula is always there, and they're the main reasons so many eps and fillers feel repetitive if they all have to end with a TR blast-off.

But hey, the anime still went on for 16+ years like that with slight variations, so it still worked for most people.
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Old 09-18-2019, 06:48 AM   #104
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No, Pokemon is still a below average anime even if you skip to just the plot relevant stuff. I know, I basically did that with Best Wishes - which helps because pre-league BW didn't have a lot of filler, so at most it was like 10 episodes.

You might be tempted to say "no it isn't" but consider an average anime is Naruto or My Hero Academia. The standard is pretty high compared to the era of Sailor Moon or pre-Kai DBZ.

The old animes are also unbearable because of Team Rocket taking away 30% of the runtime every episode, even in plot-relevant ones. The stiff/poor animation makes for a static and dull experience. I'm about 10 episodes into AG and it's really bad, just like Johto really.

I've seen a lot of people speak out against Sun & Moon because they "miss" the old formula, but they're also obsessive Pokemon fans who don't watch other anime. This is a very modernized season with a conventional storytelling structure, not something designed around 1990's budget sensibilities (which Pokemon was).

From what we know of the upcoming Galar anime, it's going to be quite similar but with the same character-driven focus. So my expectation is that a large portion of the SM cast will be accompanying Ash to Great Britain. That way, the storylines started in SM can continue to grow and develop.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:24 PM   #105
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We now know who Ash's 6th member is.

Kukui has his work cut out for him rofl.
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Old 09-19-2019, 11:24 PM   #106
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Wait what?!?!
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Old 09-20-2019, 12:45 AM   #107
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do not open if you are a fan of the masked royal

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Old 09-20-2019, 12:57 AM   #108
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This makes me a bit happier lol.
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Old 09-20-2019, 01:10 AM   #109
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Another spoiler for the upcoming episode basically reveals that 6v6 in SM142 isn't going to be an exhibition anymore, it's going to be a full-blown rival battle.

I'm very excited to see what will happen. I have no idea what the outcome will be. Kukui is supposed to be the strongest trainer in Alola, but he's basically battling Tobias.
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Old 09-20-2019, 11:06 AM   #110
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So that's two consecutive asspulls on the eve of big matches this season. This makes Sideburn Greninja seem like acceptable plot armor all of a sudden.
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Old 09-20-2019, 01:49 PM   #111
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Betting five bucks there's going to be another one to get him to actually beat Kukui. Another five on it being Torracat having a clutch evolution for an Incineroar mirror.
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Old 09-20-2019, 06:48 PM   #112
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I hope Torracat doesn't evolve. I like it as a quadruped baby tiger and not WRESTLER IN A CATSUIT. It has a unique delivery for its moves (with the fire erupting from its bell) that is unique from all other Fire-type starters.

Incineroar too but...he pelvic thrusts when he does it. We only need one of those in the show!
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Old 09-23-2019, 02:41 AM   #113
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Preview shows Kukui starts with Incineroar. It's as beastly as expected, and people are complaining this will be Tobias 2.0. I don't think so at all. Braviary and Lucario are nothing special.

I do think Kukui has a wild card, like Marshadow.
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Old 09-23-2019, 10:13 AM   #114
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I'd argue that him having Marshadow would exactly make him Tobias 2.0. I mean I guess it's different in a sense that Tobias was a random guy and Kukui is actually important but as far as "guy with a legendary to stonewall Ash" goes it's the same to me
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I suggest Marshadow because Pikachu battled Marshadow and Zeraora in the two AU movies, and also battled Zeraora (several times) in the proper anime after the release of M21. Pikachu basically beat Zeraora in the movie, so their battle in the anime could be seen as a rematch of sorts.

Marshadow beat Pikachu in M20 which led to Ash dying. It would be karmic for them to get one more opportunity to settle things even in some respect.

I don't think Kukui having Marshadow makes him a Tobias. Tobias had 6 legendary Pokemon, according to the Diamond & Pearl director's tweet. He was created to be completely unbeatable. Kukui's strong, but he's definitely mortal and wasn't created specifically to cockblock Ash. This is also a series where Gladion has Silvally, Mallow has Shaymin and Lillie has Magearna. It's pretty common in Alola to have legendaries!

I also think that, if Incineroar goes down, Kukui is at a huge disadvantage because of Ash's thick team. Lucario and Braviary don't look that strong, while Melmetal and Naganadel certainly are.
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Old 09-25-2019, 02:40 AM   #116
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Kukui's Team revealed:

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Incineroar
Braviary
Lucario
Venusaur
Empoleon


We're still missing one, but I bet it's Marshadow. :V
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Old 09-25-2019, 04:09 AM   #117
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Oof that’s a strong team and I love it. Ash better not win this.
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Old 09-25-2019, 04:16 AM   #118
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50/50 that the final is Zeraora or Marshadow. People are saying it's a Galar Pokemon, since it's hidden, but I doubt that.

Kukui is at a pretty big handicap with that team, even if it looks solid on paper. One of those two has got to be a Mega, although I'm leaning against the Lucario now. Lucario could still be the Mega so as to be the Gen VI rep.

Apparently, Melmetal knows Thunderbolt. That's going to be a huge problem for Kukui as normally Ash doesn't have Electric-type coverage outside of Pikachu.
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Old 09-25-2019, 06:37 AM   #119
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Naganadel also has Thunderbolt.
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:30 AM   #120
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Right.

Braviary is countered by Melmetal, Lycanroc and Pikachu and checked by Naganadel.
Lucario is checked by Rowlet and Torracat.

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Venusaur is checked by Torracat, Naganadel, Melmetal and Rowlet
Empoleon is checked by Melmetal, Pikachu and Naganadel

I kinda doubt that Torracat could job to Empoleon after what it did to Golisopod.


The anime has a funny format. Ash's entire team save the bird is weak to Ground, but since Earthquake/Fissure are banned in the anime, it's hard to exploit a Ground weakness there.
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Old 09-25-2019, 09:44 AM   #121
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Honestly, it's the anime. They can bullshit basically anything here. Counters and checks mean little. Yes he should win, but I'm pretty sure he should've won most leagues up until now, and yet...
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The writer for this battle is the best in the anime, but he sometimes tends to bend the rules (a lot), like:

1. Paul using Thunder into the ground to hit Gliscor
2. Dragonite having 10 moves
3. Pikachu jumping on electricity to escape Misty's Hurricane

As some have pointed out, Incineroar might have more than 10 moves in this, since he uses an unknown fire attack on Torracat in the preview.

Juuust roll with it. This is a for-fun battle, afterall!
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Old 09-29-2019, 07:50 AM   #123
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Just to let you all know, the Let's Go anime appears to be a reboot, set in the same continuity as M20/M21 movies.

Ash's adventure from the OS ends here, which is why Ash-Kukui is getting the royal 3 episode treatment. This is the final battle of the entire anime.
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Old 09-29-2019, 11:58 AM   #124
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Man, you can tell Tomioka is writing the Kukui battle, this battle felt just like a DP-era battle. The battles in SM have been lackluster a lot of the time with the exception of a few, but Tomioka knows how to write battles.

This pretty much felt like DP Ash, with the strategy and testing the waters with Torracat before recalling it rather than letting it faint. As well as Kukui's role with Incineroar and the different attacks used.

I missed Tomioka's writing, he writes Ash smart rather than just having him charge into battle and just hoping he wins. Tomioka has been with the anime since episode 3, Ash captures Caterpie was his first episode, so he's been with the show for 22 years and knows Ash better than anyone.
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Old 09-29-2019, 01:27 PM   #125
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This feels like a series finale. It's been building up for the entire SM season, so I hope for great things.
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