01-10-2012, 06:28 PM | #251 |
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>Talon vs. quinto
oh wow. >Elsie's last few battles Valiantly fought, my good sir. Love the nicknames. Spoiler: show >Kin vs. Quinto Daaaayyyuuuummmm that was LUCKY. Also you're not too bad at this metagame thing.
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01-10-2012, 06:34 PM | #252 |
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Evolite
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01-10-2012, 06:36 PM | #253 |
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No no, I picked a Klang. I wanted to use the line and after trying a few set ups I thought I'd use Eviolite Klang as it's a pretty impressive wall, which (along with sub) lets it set up the Shift Gears more easily: Klang's main stat deficiency compared to big brother is that its speed is 50 rather than 90, but when I'm generally setting up at least two Shift Gears the base speed really doesn't matter- so I end up with a 'mon with base defences in the region of 140 set up to sweep. It's a bit gimmicky and don't think it would work in standard play, but it's paid off a few times already and with Gear Grind, it is fantastic against other Substituters.
Edit: Using it has made me fall in love with Klang a bit, so thought I'd see if there were any other viable set ups than the one I have. In short, no. The line has a higher attack and has a signature move which boosts its attack right? Lets list all it's physical attack options: Vice Grip, Gear Grind, Bind (Those 3 are all the ones it learns naturally) plus Frustration, Return, Facade and Rock Smash. Limited doesn't even begin to cover it. It seems like a Pokemon that could be overused in a heartbeat if Gray is kind to it. Last edited by Lonely Cubone; 01-10-2012 at 06:40 PM. |
01-10-2012, 06:45 PM | #254 |
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Ah yeah I forgot about Eviolite. It's definitely served you well so far and it's a pretty fuckin' awesome Sub breaker.
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01-10-2012, 08:31 PM | #255 |
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As an outsider watching in, I noticed a lot of people seem to love using Toxic.
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01-10-2012, 08:34 PM | #256 |
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Haha! I didn't use any Toxic on any of my dudes.
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01-10-2012, 08:36 PM | #257 |
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Hell I'm running the Poison team and I don't have Toxic on anything.
Though I do have Toxic Spikes, don't get to set it up much though. |
01-10-2012, 08:40 PM | #258 |
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I have Toxic Spikes, but I barely use them xd
Which makes me wonder if having SR instead would make me win VS Kin and VS Concept... Also! I rewatched all my vids that I had one against. The only battle that might've turned out differently due to the Life Orb thing was Yuki, I think. I rechallenged her with my changed team and won once more. I rematched Concept, MM, and Kairne too, just for the heck of it~ Won against Concept and Kairne, but MM is still just out of my reach~ |
01-10-2012, 08:58 PM | #259 |
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The problem with Toxic Spikes is that it takes too long to set up, it's too easily removed (just by switching in a Poison-type w/o Levitate), and even if you can set it up and avoid it being swept off of the battlefield, Toxic itself takes a while to kill things. You'll kill most sweepers faster just with raw battle damage while most walls, precisely because they don't want to be taken out of commission by something as lol-easy as Toxic, will have Rest or status-healing moves or berries to try and deal with the threat.
That stated, people use it because all of the stuff I've said is obviously theory that doesn't necessarily carry over in practice. XP Generally speaking, though, I would take Stealth Rock any day over Toxic Spikes. Stealth Rock is harder to get rid of and it does potentially much more damage on the switch-in than Toxic Spikes does. Specifically, threats that ordinarily might not be OHKO'able by some of the UUmons we're using suddenly become pseudo-OHKO'able thanks to Stealth Rock shaving off a quarter of their life totals. Also, there are some strategies you lock yourself out of by using Toxic Spikes that you don't lock yourself out of by using Stealth Rock. These include crippling an enemy sweeper by sacrificing one of your guys so that he Thunder Waves the sweeper and transforms him into a non-sweeper; paralyzing the enemy in the hopes that he won't get to go that turn (as already seen with a few Serene Grace @ King's Rock @ Iron Head (Jirachi) or Air Slash (Togekiss) strategies); or burning a physical enemy in order to halve his physical attack output (hello, Scald ^^; ). Oh well. What's done is done. And Toxic Spikes aren't really terrible either. Nobody wants one of their Pokemon to be toxified, let alone an entire team's worth. Toxic Spikes can be the deal-breaker for would-be sweepers like Quiver Dance Volcarona.
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01-10-2012, 09:33 PM | #260 | |
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SR + toxic spikes together worked reasonably well for me in your champions tournament, I found, but in that a lot of my team was set up specifically to stall and shuffle round so. It's also freaking annoying when something unexpected happens and you get one layer down.
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01-11-2012, 05:20 PM | #261 |
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I checked in yesterday and there were like 10+ people in the room. I check in today, at roughly the same times, and no one's there. Did everybody else already get in all of their battles except against me and Dragon?
I have yet to fight: Fire, Grass, Electric, Ice, Flying, Fighting, Ground, and Dragon. EDIT: Save the streams for after the tournament, Daisy? XP You're stealing away my competition.
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01-11-2012, 05:47 PM | #262 |
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Talon:
Nope, I've only done 9 of my battles so far... Won: Kairne, FireWater, LC, Quintowill Lost: DTFG, Daisy, Ethe, Emp, Kuno
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01-11-2012, 05:48 PM | #263 |
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Still need to battle FW, Speevy, Yougi and Elsie, over here.
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01-11-2012, 05:51 PM | #264 |
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Still need to battle Yuki, Yougi, MM007, Kin, Talon, Concept, and whoeverthefak Dragon is.
EDIT: Speevy
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01-11-2012, 05:52 PM | #265 | |
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Yuki and I are sitting around in the channel.
Come join us.
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01-11-2012, 07:21 PM | #266 |
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This battle is rife with hax and durrrr moments. Spoiler: show This match was more technically exciting than the last, though at one point T-Dos laments the boredom of having to watch a Taunting Jellicent square off against a RestCurse Waterfall Ice Sharding Lapras. Spoiler: show Not the best night for Team Ghost, I'm afraid. Our score now stands at 6W, 4L.
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01-11-2012, 08:03 PM | #268 |
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01-12-2012, 05:31 AM | #270 |
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Another sixteen matches on the table and it's looking a bit like we have a narrowing field of contenders: Kuno remains favourite, but Fighting and Flying are both putting up a damn good effort. Dragon remains the wildcard...where is Speevey? |
01-12-2012, 10:15 AM | #271 |
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01-12-2012, 05:11 PM | #273 |
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ATTENTION
Some of you have been reporting difficulties getting battle logs to save properly. I believe this to be a problem with the newest version of the Pokemon-Online software. However, I also believe that we may have solved the problem, given an experiment with a positive result I just conducted with someone who was experiencing this very problem (Yougirasu). So if you're one of the people for whom battle logs haven't been saving, CLICK THE SPOILER BOX BELOW to read instructions on how to easily save logs. Everyone else, have a good day and disregard this post. Spoiler: show As for an explanation about what I think is going on ... (optional reading) Spoiler: show Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. In any event, hopefully it gets sorted out in the inevitable next update to P-O. EDIT: New information from Yougirasu. See the bottom of the first spoiler box for more details.
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01-12-2012, 05:33 PM | #274 |
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Anyone seen/heard from Speevy?
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01-12-2012, 05:35 PM | #275 |
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She said she hasn't made a team on Monday and was just lurking on PO a bit.
Aside from that, no. But if ASB is any indication she'll take a while. |
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