04-25-2017, 11:39 AM | #26 | |
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A bit out of the subject but still related to Starters a bit, should we just remove the rule that you can't trade off/put to adoption your starter? I don't think a lot of people will do that anyway (I mean come on, it is your starter) but I don't see why it should be unforced, especially since it can be done in the games. I think the only rule that should be upheld is that everyone has to have minimum 1 Pokémon. (Although it would be funny/cool on an RP standpoint to see someone play without a Pokémon, somehow.) |
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04-28-2017, 12:24 PM | #27 |
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So let's see if we can try to knock out some kind of proposal at the moment:
Registration: -Minimal effort, RP test for approval, possibility to use RP test as a zone intro Starters: Minimal restrictions, no evolution except in specific cases, no ultra rare pokemon Reset: Reset thread to log changes, dropped Pokemon go into the AC, no real restrictions on resetting since its always a net negative
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04-28-2017, 01:43 PM | #28 | |
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I definitely wouldn't want to restrict them to only making intro posts to zones with open spots. If a person has a really good idea for an intro to a full Phantom Isle and would prefer to write that for their test rather than an intro to another open zone, as long as they understand that they can't start that adventure immediately, I wouldn't stop them. Intro posts don't really expire, so even if they can't use it right then, there's nothing stopping them from using it when spots become available. Basically, as long as it is made clear that intros can't be posted to full zones, I believe the test taker should be able to use an intro for the RPing part of the test. Worst case, they can't use it until a spot opens up, but they still have it. And best case, they can post the intro they wrote for the test as soon as they are notified that they passed the test, and immediately start adventuring. Quote:
I think people resetting should have the option to trade away, release (unless we are completely getting rid of releasing), or send to the adoption center whatever Pokemon they want, yes. It seemed to me that people were discussing being able to reset their starter and pick a new one, so in that case their original starter would have to be released. I'm not sure how I feel about lifting restrictions on trading a starter, because from my point of view, I wouldn't do it. I suppose unless people fear that it would be abused (and I could think of a few ways it could technically be), there's nothing really stopping us from lifting the restriction. If people want to completely redo their character and their starter no longer fits, at the very least allowing people to "reset" their starter, even if we keep them untradable otherwise, is acceptable to me. Quote:
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05-02-2017, 02:05 PM | #31 |
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Personally I don't really feel that releasing serves much of a purpose. You could probably just archive the Pokemon if you really felt you didn't want anyone else to have it.
Are there any more opinions on this? This is one of those things I feel like we could wrap up and get finished very soon.
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05-02-2017, 02:21 PM | #32 | |
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So the question really only boils down to, "Do you respect that emotional satisfaction more than you do the competing emotional satisfaction that would come from people who wanted to scoop up the Pokémon?" Because I can guarantee you that in the vast majority of cases when something gets released there is someone else who would have been happy to have owned it. So it's that competition of satisfactions there. I feel there's an easy compromise here, if I have in fact hit the nail on the head. And that compromise is this:
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05-02-2017, 02:55 PM | #33 | |
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Obviously, if all of the people planning to start over are fine with their Pokemon going to the AC, then it isn't really an issue. But if some of them have special Pokemon that they would rather be permanently retired, I think they should be able to release them. Talon's idea would solve people releasing rare Pokemon that people want. Though my personal opinion on it is that it is their Pokemon, so it is their choice on whether someone else gets a shot at it, if people fear abuse of some kind, then it could alleviate some of that. Sure, people could just "archive" a Pokemon and not do anything with it, especially if we no longer have PC slots, but I'm not positive that would be sufficient closure for everyone. Again, if everyone who is resetting is happy with the current options and feels that they don't need to release any Pokemon, then it is a non issue. I just want to make sure that it is discussed as an option for those people if they want it. |
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05-02-2017, 03:54 PM | #34 |
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I think the second option you gave Talon is a good compromise and would be happy to implement that.
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05-03-2017, 09:00 PM | #35 |
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The reset thread has been implemented, and registration will be soon to follow. If there are any more opinions on registration, please post them here.
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05-04-2017, 09:24 AM | #36 |
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Welcome to Fizzy Bubbles! Welcome to the wonderful world of Fizzy Bubbles! We would be very pleased if you would join our humble RP. In order to join, the process is very simple! To join, simply sign out the form below. Code:
Trainer Name: Starter Pokemon: Background: Fizzy Bubbles Starter Pack: x1 Backpack x1 Pokedex x1 Fishing Rod x1 Berry Bag x1 Pokeblock Case x5 Pokeballs x5 Rare Candies x1 TM Return / Frustration $3000 Pokedollars Starter Pokemon Rules: While the starter rules in FB were more strict in the past, currently they will allow you to pick up any non-evolved Pokemon in the game. The only exception to this is Pikachu, because its like popular or something. There are only a few Pokemon which are considered so rare that they can be starter Pokemon: -Legendaries, Fossil Pokemon, Spiritomb, Type: Null, Phione, Porygon, Rotom, and Zorua. Starters can be shiny if you wish as well! would this be acceptable for a registration thread op folks? probably needs some cleaning up / fleshing out.
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05-04-2017, 09:32 AM | #37 |
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Over in the economy thread, the idea's been voiced about including a Key Stone and Z-Ring in starter packs, as well as 3,000 coins. Perhaps those could be added to this? Other than that, this looks pretty good.
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05-04-2017, 09:34 AM | #38 |
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Coins are not to be added at the moment because we really don't know how they are going to work.
Keystones and Z-rings will be given to you when you get your first Mega Stone / Z Crystal, if people are fine with that. Personally it just makes more sense to me.
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05-04-2017, 09:35 AM | #39 | |
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Red indicates things I'd remove, green for things to add, and blue for things I have discrepancies about. Discrepancies: -5 candies seems a bit much to begin with, is there any reason for this, or is it due to the fact that someone may adopt a pokemon and wish to uplevel it? If so, then 4 candies would bring that adopted mon to level 5 like the starter. -On a similar vein, I feel the newcomer should have a choice of either a TM for Return/Frustration, or one of their starter pokemon's type, so long as said TM has a base power of 60 or lower. -Pikachu would need a more canon explanation for it being a starter, and my suggestion seems more formal. If I could ask a question though, what would the registration test curtail, exactly? Aside from, these nuances, things look fine. |
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05-04-2017, 09:37 AM | #40 |
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5 Rare Candies because I like the number 5 better than 4 and because it gives new people more of a cushion to sit on when they first start.
That was supposed to be an or, whoops. You can only claim one of the two TMs. Also I don't like the other idea, there are some types (Ghost iirc?) which don't have below 60 power moves as TMs and we'd have to make compromises.
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05-04-2017, 09:38 AM | #41 |
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That's fine, it was merely a suggestion, and what you've proposed makes sense.
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05-04-2017, 10:32 AM | #42 | |
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:P Can I retcon Kai t be shiny then?
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05-04-2017, 04:40 PM | #43 |
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There have been three changes discussed so far:
-Removing all restrictions except for legends, Type: Null, and Phione -Making it so starters can't be shiny -Allowing starters to have an Egg or MT move at the start I plan on having registration up later today, but any more opinions are helpful.
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05-04-2017, 04:44 PM | #44 | |
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2: I got no problem allowing people to have Shiny starters, but I'm also cool with not allowing it. Either one works, IMO. 3: Now that I like, allowing starters to have a free Egg/MT move to start with. |
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05-04-2017, 04:55 PM | #45 |
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I'm personally not in favor of allowing Fossil Pokemon to be acquirable as starters. Having said that, I have a more restrictive viewpoint than I believe a lot of people taking part in this discussion.
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05-04-2017, 07:10 PM | #46 |
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There is the concern that its drawing a line in the sand that doesn't need to be in there. It's not something I really agree with, but I will say that erring on the side of letting people have what they want is probably a better idea.
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05-04-2017, 09:22 PM | #47 | |
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Shiny starters: If this is going to be a thing, either every member who is not restarting/picking a new starter needs to be okay with not having a shiny starter, or there needs to be a grace period or ability for them to retcon their starter to shiny if they want to. Otherwise, I worry about people being upset about not getting the chance to start with a shiny. I think it'd be less messy to just not allow it, personally. If it is allowed, I'd be a lot more heavily in favor of starters remaining untradable as well. MT/Egg moves: I say go for it. It helps them have a better movepool to start with for RPing, and unless people speak up saying it is unfair for them to miss out on (given that MT/EMs can be obtained easily enough, I don't see that as too likely) I don't have a problem with it at all. |
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05-04-2017, 10:54 PM | #48 | |
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05-05-2017, 03:31 AM | #49 | |
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05-05-2017, 07:14 AM | #50 |
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The mods and I have discussed the potential changes and decided that although it can be viewed as arbitrary, we would like to make it so fossils cannot be starter Pokemon. They're an extinct species, it shouldn't be that easy and any attempt to make it gated by background (i.e. you have to be a scientist) is really contrived.
With this, I feel the issue has been resolved. It's been great to hear your opinions everyone and get something definitive done. This thread will remain open if people have any further suggestions any of the topics, but as for right now we have a working registration OP and we'd like to get it set up.
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