11-14-2014, 09:57 AM | #3551 |
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11-22-2014, 05:32 AM | #3552 |
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Smogon considering a Quick Ban against Mega Salamence
They haven't decided whether to quick-ban it or not, but I think the general idea coming off is that for those who have been playing on the ORAS OU ladder, Mega Salamence is immensely powerful, really hard to revenge kill, and extremely difficult to work around. I can't say I disagree with them either; I don't have much experience with the new meta but I can see how people would have a serious issue with this Pokemon. If I may say one thing: This is not Mega Pinsir. Saying the meta is balanced around Mega Pinsir is not the same. There are obvious differences for Mega Salamance: Good secondary STAB, massive physical bulk with Intimidate, the ability to go mixed with Fire Blast / Draco Meteor and Double-Edge without losing coverage.
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11-22-2014, 07:28 AM | #3553 |
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I saw this coming. MegaMence has one good way around it, and that's having MegaSwampy be able to tank something before slugging it with Ice Punch. But once it has one DD set up, Aerilate Return smashes ANYTHING that doesn't resust flying or that isn't named Blissey. Unless you're running an egregious physically defensive set on something that really shouldn't run it.
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11-22-2014, 07:45 AM | #3554 |
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Well to be fair, Mega Salamence can switch in on Mega Swampert. I mean that's part of the issue: Mega Salamence's bulk is absolutely massive. He can take a LO Ice Shard from Mamoswine ffs. This is without intimidate as well. A physical pokemon is often set-up bait for Salamence sadly.
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11-22-2014, 11:19 AM | #3555 |
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That can happen too, yes. I didn't say it was an absolutely solid counter, its the closest thing that exists to one that I know of. Plus most of the things that can afford to run defensive sets that can wall MegaMence hard often can't hit back vene if you were to combine defense investment with offensive. A troll Scyther set a friend of mine thought up can tank admirably from calcs that he did with mega stats and ability and all that, but its Scyther, what's that going to do to actually kill Mence? Nada. This is one quickban I'm in line with, a Dragon Typed Mega Pinsir with insane speed, bulk, and attack is too good.
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11-22-2014, 03:52 PM | #3556 |
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Psrry for the double post but I urgently need someone to teach me how to competitively use Chatot in some way
I just caught a shiny one and I'm ecstatic right now
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11-22-2014, 03:54 PM | #3557 |
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How to Use Chatot:
Step 1: Chatter Step 2: Sub on the confusion till it sticks Step 3: Nasty Plot Step 4: Boomburst the motherfucking everything *Disclaimer Step: Try not to die at any of these steps. Chatot dies very quickly.
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11-22-2014, 03:59 PM | #3558 |
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And then the vital portion of that was only possible by egg move, and the Trainer lamented, for it would not be possible.
No really, Work up is only TM-able on it in Gen 5 and gahhhhh
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11-22-2014, 04:01 PM | #3559 |
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Well I mean you can use a Sub + 3 attacks set. But its kinda difficult to ignore that Chatot is not great in anyway.
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11-22-2014, 04:02 PM | #3560 |
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Its just that a Gen 6 Wild Chatot has no way to raise its Special Attack without breeding.
Actually, let's make this thing my Se JUN Mascot and talk Doubles. This Chatot was blessed with Tangled Feet. This means that the use of Flatter gives it a Special attack doubler and a temporary evasion hike that should help prolong its longevity. And Flatter is readily available on the Goth line, which is found on the Kalos Dex and thus hopefully VGC 2015 viable. If not, Sableye can get the move through careful breeding.
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11-22-2014, 08:42 PM | #3561 |
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Flatter raises special attack by 1 stage, not 2.
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11-22-2014, 10:56 PM | #3562 |
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It works still! Even if its half as good!
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11-22-2014, 11:02 PM | #3563 |
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...what about its IVs? Nature?
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11-22-2014, 11:06 PM | #3564 |
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Rash Nature, IVs unknown as of yet, though its wild caught so not strings of 31s to be sure.
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11-22-2014, 11:18 PM | #3565 |
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Oh good your Nature actually boosts a stat you want! Of course it makes you even more frail, but now you're just a slightly more damp piece of paper. Having bad IVs sucks, but hey, Shinies are rad. Go forth and beat people up with a loud bird!
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11-22-2014, 11:20 PM | #3566 |
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*goes to make Chatter extremely loud while still making s Godspell reference&
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11-23-2014, 11:07 PM | #3567 |
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So I used my phone's handy dandy IV calculator to calc Shiny Chatot's IVs. The results...ugh.
It's special Attack is anywhere from 9-12. It's Attack, defense, and speed are likewise crappy range. Then Special defense is near perfect being in the upper 20s, which sucks because RASH NATURE and the HP stat which I didn't EV train is also in the 20s. Urgh. I mean Okay at least it's not like that time I hatched a 0 HP Mawile with NO PRECEDENT FOR IT WHATSOEVER but still.
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11-24-2014, 10:25 AM | #3568 |
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I got a Chatot in XY and trained it up to level 100 and went around slaying things going "WHO'S THE WEAK ONE NOW?" You can have fun without beating people in competitive battling.
I'm pretty sure Chatot is supposed to be some sort of wallbreaker anyway. Chatter to confuse and then Boomburst them down.
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11-24-2014, 03:41 PM | #3569 |
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Best I can do is Hyper Voice because wild caught shiny
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11-24-2014, 04:48 PM | #3570 |
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oh, I thought I got it from levelling up. Whoops. My memory must be faulty about boombursting chatots then.
Chatot is not a great pokemon. I like it. I wish it was better. It would need stat changes to be viable.
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11-24-2014, 06:43 PM | #3571 |
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It's base special attack and speed are in respectable percentiles for a single stage.
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11-26-2014, 02:04 PM | #3572 |
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So, as Fate would have it, the ladder server of Pokémon Showdown's suffered problems shortly before ORAS's release and consequently all of the scores were wiped. It's still pretty shaky right now (it often throws up a corruption error message) but it's nominally back in service, making now the prime opportunity to get a clean slate and try to ladder in an environment relatively free of a bajillion alts clogging up the ranking ladders.
I was last logged into Juisho, my original account, and so that's where I've decided to start off with my reladdering attempts. It's been pretty rough going to be honest: the first few days have seen everyone of all skill levels mixed together, meaning:
Sharing replays seems to be impossible right now. I hadn't tried until the past few minutes, but right now there was a match I wanted to show you guys -- because it contained my first-ever encounter with Hoopa! -- and so I've been trying to generate a replay but ... it doesn't look like it wants to cooperate. :\ Anyway, the Hoopa was in its Unbound form and ... (spoiler boxing in case you want to be surprised) Spoiler: show I'm not sure if they're ORAS changes or PS glitches or what, but there are a few changes players have noticed. One that stands out to me was a match where I froze an enemy Magcargo who had one of the two hot body abilities. Furthermore, he was ordered to use one of the melts-ice-when-frozen Fire attacks but it didn't thaw him out.
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11-26-2014, 02:54 PM | #3573 |
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I thoght all fire attacks were an instant thaw, but apparently Flamethrower of all things doesnt do that. ANyway, I'm upset at this because I wanted to try the team I would use to use Chatot in the VGC format but I'm always on when the corruption error happens (i came to this thread to inquire about it and then saw Talon's post LOL). To give you a general idea of what the team looks like...
Chatot (with only level up/tm moves) Lightningrod Manectric (not mega, draw electricity off Chatot) Sylveon with Baton Pass/Calm Mind (you know why) Greninja, Expert belt, just less U-Turn and more extrasensory Burn shifter Sigilyph And standard Mega Mawile. This is what I've put together and for the most part I like it because basically all of my team besides mega mawile can take Sylveon's baton pass gifts in case things are dicey for Chatot. Also do substitutes Baton Pass?
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11-26-2014, 02:55 PM | #3574 |
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Yes, Baton Pass passes Subs.
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11-26-2014, 02:55 PM | #3575 |
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Subs can be Baton Passed, but that's kinda useless in VGC.
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