04-12-2014, 06:44 AM | #1651 | |
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In the battle I had right before I posted this, the person sent out Swellow first, while I led with a Wormadam-G. They switched to Alomomola while I set up Stealth Rocks. Other pokemon on my team: Raichu and Thundurus without any electric type moves Aggron/Mega Aggron Sylveon Zangoose I had Zangoose set up with a SD and Toxic Boost activated, but Alomomola scored a protect twice in a row and switched out to Tyranitar, so I didn't get very far. Eh, I see what you mean about the counters. Maybe if Thundurus/Raichu had Electric typed moves >_> (Raichu had Substitute, Signal Beam, HP Grass, and Nasty Plot. Thundurus has Substitute, Encore(I think), Focus Blast, and HP Ice. It was winnable, I just got frustrated and couldn't regain lost ground quick enough. |
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04-15-2014, 07:04 PM | #1653 |
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It's not funny anymore. Now it's just sad. I thought this was an April Fools' Day joke. Apparently not.
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04-15-2014, 08:25 PM | #1654 |
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So they finally brought up Speed Boost Scolitrain. Considering Blaziken was Ubered for SB, I'm glad to see some consistency after the massive screwup in the Swagger ban.
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04-15-2014, 08:27 PM | #1655 |
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...they aren't going after Speed Boost my word what is this
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04-15-2014, 08:31 PM | #1656 |
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Even if SB isnt directly brought up, the fact that they metion Scolipede having it as part of their supposed Baton Pass danger may help rid some of the meta problems it creates. Little strokes, little strokes.
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04-15-2014, 08:35 PM | #1657 |
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Speed boost Scolipede isn't exactly causing many problems in the meta. Yeah, its a pretty awesome Pokemon when used right, but the sheer ubiquity of Talonflame in the meta ensures that sweeping sets don't work well, not to mention the fact that it is walled by the more common physical walls. Scolipede is definitely not a problem in the meta.
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04-15-2014, 08:37 PM | #1658 |
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Scolitrain with Baton Pass may shed some negative light on Speed Boost which I assume you were hoping to see eventually based on your previous posts. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
>Talonflame NU has a huge counter for that sucker. Say hellow to my Nasty Plot T-Bolt Minun, it wants to kill half your team. It can and will.
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04-15-2014, 10:04 PM | #1660 |
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With each passing day, I become more and more disappointed at how several members are proving Haunter's decision to make a People-Who-Know-What-The-Fuck-They-Are-Talking-About Thread correct.
Like ... seriously. It's getting to a point now where I feel like we may have to make a thread that you're not allowed to post in, myself included, unless you have an OU score of _____ or higher. (Example: Elo 1650.) And the thread has a life of three months, so every three months you have to reprove that what you have what it takes or else you're barred from posting in the latest thread. Man do I hate to do this. Man do I hate that I even am thinking about doing this. Because man if I don't hate the snobby Smogon staff for having created their Elites Only subforum in response to the challenges blaze, I, and others raised in the first of the two Swagger discussion threads. But man if I don't feel like this thread is being polluted by ridiculously uninformed comments from players who have no fucking clue what they are talking about. [/mean rant][/projects that will never happen because UPN lacks the architecture to make implementing such a scheme both feasible and painless for Kuno]
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04-15-2014, 11:51 PM | #1661 |
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> In conclusion, the best course of action to deal with Baton Pass is to ban Magic Bounce.
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04-16-2014, 12:19 AM | #1662 |
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I...don't see any problem here. People see that with the introduction of a pokemon, a previously only reasonably viable playstyle has shot up to being overcentralising, to the point where if you don't run a very specific counter to it you will lose. So, they're looking to ban it, because overcentralising things get banned. And while there are some idiots looking to ban just Baton Pass or just Speed Boost, I think the people whose opinions actually matter to the guys who make these decisions are going with things like Magic Bounce + Baton Pass or Scolipede with Speed Boost and Baton Pass. It makes perfect sense to me...which makes me think I must be missing something.
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04-16-2014, 05:06 AM | #1663 |
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Since NU is about the only thing I played in Gen V, and will be the thing I play if I go back to playing regular Smogon tiers, I can only say this:
Yay for FF! Not that that's very active at the moment, but at least we can make our own decisions that aren't based on banning things that are a half-issue at best.
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04-16-2014, 05:14 AM | #1664 |
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Clone you'd be surprised
I own halves of Übers teams with Minun alone.
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04-16-2014, 06:03 AM | #1665 |
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I can say this:
I've played quite a few OU matches on PS. Not as many as Randbats, but still a lot. I can not recall seeing a single baton pass team. And if I did, and forgot, they aren't sn issue. Mandibuzz beats Espeon every single time, and can Whirlwind anyone else. I honestly see no problem with them. Baton Pass teams usually aren't that good either way. Only one pokemon in the chain (or two if you count MegAbsol) can't be hazed. That's it. And both have paper thin defenses. |
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04-16-2014, 07:05 AM | #1667 |
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Xatu is illegal with Baton Pass, as it only got the move with a Gen 3 event.
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04-16-2014, 08:24 AM | #1670 | |
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Not that any of this excuses the lunacy and hypocrisy of their current witch hunt. (As Jeri and others have noted and shall continue to note.) But I just wanted you to realize that your argument has a very big mistaken assumption about the Smogon brass in it.
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04-16-2014, 08:38 AM | #1671 |
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Weird- I skimmed through the first page and most people said that, but going further through the thread they don't want to do complex bans. =/
It would not surprise me in the least if an alternative to Smogon is made very soon.
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04-16-2014, 09:03 AM | #1672 | |
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Pokémon-Online already exists, but as everyone knows they more or less run Smogon rules. Technically they don't? Technically they have their own rules? But most Smogon rules are P-O rules and vice versa. For example (and this was raised by the Smogon staff as support for their own actions), P-O was the first to simple ban Swagger. So I don't know that they would be a satisfactory alternative to Smogon for you or for most of us. It would take a lot of anti-Smogon pressure from within the P-O community for the P-O staff to take a more active approach in distancing themselves from their cousin.
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04-16-2014, 06:12 PM | #1673 |
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The only thing Id be happy with is a complex ban on Baton Pass. The move in itself isnt broken, but whole teams around it are almost impossible to beat if played right.
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04-16-2014, 08:26 PM | #1674 |
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Wherein I establish what I told you guys the other day: I'd rather have one Durant than have one Swellow and one Alomomola. (Random Battle; 15 turns)
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04-17-2014, 04:45 AM | #1675 |
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Durant really is sickly good in Random Battle.
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