10-02-2014, 09:50 PM | #26 |
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Isn't the idea that Introvert VS Extrovert being about sociability a myth, though? From what I understand, an introvert is someone who draws energy from quiet introverted time while and extrovert gets energy from socializing with others. Like, personally I'm now very capable at socializing with strangers, but everything calls me and introvert and I'd call myself an introvert because, if given the choice, I'd much rather just hole up by myself and disregard the rest of the world. Which is an extremely radical variant of the split, but the basic principle is still there- Introverts can socialize, and Extroverts can have quiet time, but the one you find yourself naturally 'healed' by is the one which indicates which side of the split you're on.
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Dude. I said I'm ENFP already. Up top. *high fives*
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Think of cats. People accuse cats of being antisocial creatures because they're not emotional doormats like dogs. Cats get cranky if you shower them with too much attention and they tend to prefer the members of the family who give them space. But they do value spending time with members of the family. They get very lonely and depressed if they're kept segregated from the rest of the family. They don't handle being left home alone with zero humans in the house for days on end, even if you leave them plenty of food and water. Cats are social creatures, as evidenced by their own feline social structure as well as by their interactions with humans. And yet everyone understands that, as pets go, they are "antisocial," "like to be left alone," etc. For the purposes of this conversation, we'll simplify things and say, "I am the human cat." You can't ask me, "Which one completes you? Which one makes you happiest and healthiest? Being alone or being with others?" It's like asking me to choose between water and oxygen.
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10-02-2014, 10:09 PM | #29 |
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My personality is Lawful Evil.
That's way more descriptive than a 4-letter acronym!
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Myers-Briggs does try to analyze which way each part of your personality goes, but it is far more interesting to see what interactions of these parts focus on. Don't worry too much about individual differences between what F means for different people. It's more of a group where multiple different methods of intuitively making decisions are combined due to similarity and the need for simplicity. Quote:
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As for "On the cusp," this is a problem unique to personality tests. In general, you should just be asking yourself which letter describes you better. Tests have to work around the possibility that the taker did not understand the question properly. This means that "Has trouble introducing self to other people" can mean either that they are an introvert or that they are shy and a ST who took the question too literally. So what ends up happening over multiple questions filled with strange answers based on how you interpreted them (S vs N) and how you answered them (T vs F) is a hodgepodge of confusing and often contradictory answers that puts you in strange places along the spectrum. Quote:
Yes, overlap does occur, and you can feel bad sometimes that your personality "Rap sheet" on this one specific site does not mention a specific trait that you yourself have. That's not what the MBTI is for. It is a categorization tool to help others understand how you learn and what kinds of relationships you form. If you find yourself reading through your personality results going "Hm, I don't think this is right." and "Yeah that's not really me at all." for AT LEAST TWO MAIN STATEMENTS, then you probably didn't get the right result. Best to look through each type and determine which one describes you best. Remember, individual variation does exist, and you don't have to be conscious of tradition to be an ISFJ as long as you match the main ideas, like "takes relationships and responsibilities very seriously." >online vs. IRL I would place less weight on e-extroversion because of other factors that influence communication. Introverts as a rule tend to want to wait their turn during larger conversations and do not like to talk while others are talking. This means that online communication is very easy for them and they can thrive on this social contact without being an actual extrovert. In addition, introverts usually find it somewhat exhausting to be involved in conversation and enjoy the ability to take short breaks in between sentences.
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I follow Talon's viewpoints mostly on this subject.
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10-04-2014, 05:01 PM | #32 |
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Got ISFP from the test, though I don't see myself as a trendsetter, or unpredictable, or particularly skilled in artistic expression.
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Not sure where trendsetter comes from...oh. That's perceived. Comes from creativity and constant inspiration. If you aren't a very creative person, chances are you aren't an FP, as that combination is usually defined as being exceptionally good at spontaneously coming up with new ideas. If you don't consider yourself unpredictable, artistic, or creative, it's likely you're a T instead of an F. Check out ISTP and see if that fits better.
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The reason we put people into categories based on personality is because there ARE categories. The correlation between people who identify as I or E is based on a genetic sensitivity to social contact. People above a certain threshold are "Introverts" and people below that threshold are "Extroverts." You don't get to be a special snowflake "ambivert" - it just means you aren't as strong an introvert as other people are. Of all the criticisms the MBTI gets, "I'm special! I deserve my own category and I DIDN'T GET IT" is one of the most easily deflected. We're studying interaction between various facets of personality and this is what we have discovered. 1. How you deal with others. (interaction) - social 2. How you see the world. (perception) - input 3. How you act on what you know. (action) - output 4. How you manage your time. (decision) - order I had trouble with number 4 so if you have a better word than "decision" that would be great. If you can come up with any more that are not just combinations or derivatives of those four questions, I'm sure the MBTI people would be fascinated to learn of your discovery. Some tried with "Assertive vs. Turbulent", again showing an unparallelled command of the English language and brilliant word choice, but unfortunately it seems that's really easily predicted by the answer to just number 1 and further distinguished by numbers 3 and 4. You are probably protesting "DON'T PUT ME IN A BOX" and that probably makes you ISFP. Mayyyybe INTP. I don't have the literature in front of me right now. The fact of the matter is that it is an extremely huge box. It's not a tiny box that says "you have to be like this or else >:c) it's a very big box that says "you process the world in this sort of way." And ultimately, that's what personality is. There's a reason most reputable people call them "types" or "categories" and not try to say there are only 16 personalities full stop that are randomly distributed across people. For that matter, the MBTI is a purely American invention and may not be quite as accurate in other cultures. I would be extremely interested in seeing a Chinese personality indicator, for example, just because of the culture differences. I'd also be interested in seeing people from other cultures performing on the test - what if Koreans all test S? That would give some pretty significant insight into a lot of different concepts. It's probably already been done, but I'm procrastinating so I can't research that right now.
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10-06-2014, 01:01 AM | #37 |
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Sure Talon but you have other problems with it while that one problem is large enough for me to discount MBTI as bullshit pseudoscience entirely. That this is a significant difference to me should be a good example of how even large categories don't work out.
Because they don't, Shuckle. The fact that you're trying to class me as something based on the fact that I think it's ridiculous feels to me like something out of a stage magician show. It doesn't matter how large the box is. Because it's too large. Unless there are seven billion of them. It doesn't matter to me how much you generalise, because the more you generalise, the more pointless it becomes. If it's a large box, it's useless because the people in them vary too much. If it's small enough that the people in them don't vary too much, then it contains one person.
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Wait...we're taking this seriously?
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I get it, psychological research doesn't seem like a hard science like chemistry or physics does. Water doesn't get mad at you because you called it a universal "solvent" and it just doesn't feel like that term applies to it. Nobody complains that current models of human biology don't take their own core temperature of 98.8F into account and considers the standard of 98.7 to be way too arbitrary. I'm not looking for that much validation here but a little less condescension would be nice, ok?
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Originally I ignored this thread because lololol personality tests and also ALCAPS immediately makes me assume the author is an idiot as with constant emoticons or text speak. But since we seem to be going off track I'll bring it back a little with:
ENFP Extravert(78%) iNtuitive(50%) Feeling(12%) Perceiving(22%) You have strong preference of Extraversion over Introversion (78%) You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (50%) You have slight preference of Feeling over Thinking (12%) You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (22%) (?) I tried to put what I actually do over what I would like to do, was able the majority of questions without having to think, one or two you can interpret in different ways or are dependent on the situation so I tried to go with the typical response as directed. |
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Sure why not.
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10-06-2014, 01:48 PM | #45 |
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>Kush complete opposite of me
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10-06-2014, 02:05 PM | #46 |
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They got his personality thing wrong.
It's not HATE.
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10-06-2014, 05:53 PM | #48 |
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Well I mean there's the caveat that I think this entire thread is complete idiocy because personality tests are fundamentally flawed from multiple viewpoints. So really you can interpret my results as you will.
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10-06-2014, 07:48 PM | #49 |
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I recall Shuckle associating the "Dont put me in a box! " being INTP. I tested INTP and I actually dislike being defined under categories, I don't really like Myers-Briggs, its interesting but...inaccurate. Sorely so.
However, that's not to say some things don't match up on occassion, like what I just pointed out. Basically, The Myers-Briggs can get some general characteristics, but their attempt to balance between overgeneralizing and overspecification ultimately fails in areas in a direct proportion to areas in which it is successful, hence Talon's specified effect of "This description is 80% me but 20% not." Of course, its not always 80 to 20, but it will usually present some definite ratio for people to that effect. For example, when I take the test, the end result's description is usually about 75% accurate, while about 25% I'd be leery on. Feel free to ignore this wall of what is most likely largely inaccurate babble poorly constructed of personal experience and correlation.
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I dunno, it was pretty spot-on with me. For example this:
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