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Old 07-05-2014, 06:35 PM   #126
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Well I think that the American psyche is very much against the idea of drawing at anything so that's probably fair.

I think a lot of ASBers are betting on an Argentina/Germany final.
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Old 07-06-2014, 11:58 AM   #127
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I at least thought the Netherlands played better than their last game against Mexico. You can argue we could have gotten a goal in sooner and shouldn't have played it out so long but we played dam right better than Costa Rica. It's nice to see a different opinion here as well. Most people on my side over here have high hopes on Holland getting far. Heck, the Germans I've met this far are hoping (and expecting) a German-Dutch final.
(Not to mention how poetic it would be of the Dutch won. Having lost 3 finals matches to Germany, Argentina and Spain and after having annihilated Spain - slaying Argentina and Germany in the semi finals and finals would just be perfect. )
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Old 07-06-2014, 01:00 PM   #128
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The Netherlands did play better than Costa Rica, I'm loath to admit, but they also played their worst game I've seen all World Cup. Veeeeeeeeery sloppy offense this time. It felt like the team has become too reliant on Robben for their forward momentum; and so, with Costa Rica stonewalling Robben so often, van Persie and the others were left to score the goals for the Orangemen. Except they failed to each and every time -- and with some spectacularly awful attempts among the shots taken. Better than any of us can play, obviously, but still. I expect better of the team that scored five points against Spain. Not that I expect them to score five points again -- that's miraculous in any World Cup game -- but I at least expect them to be less sloppy than they were when playing against Costa Rica.

But yes, even in the second half the possession of the ball was still mostly Dutch; and if the Netherlands' offense was sloppy, the Costa Ricans' offense felt at times downright amateurish. Neither team brought a strong offensive game. I suppose this is why so many of my American friends were bored out of their minds. Soccer matches which boil down to goalie vs. goalie wars, while exciting for fans who know what they're looking for, are probably much more boring for those who have no idea what they're watching than are striker vs. striker wars and similar offensive showdowns.

Optimistic for a solid game between the Dutch and the Argentinians. Much less optimistic for the Germany-Brazil game being anything worth watching but you never know.
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Old 07-07-2014, 10:57 PM   #129
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I think both games are going to be great. The 3rd place match and finals are going to be very worth watching as well.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:30 PM   #130
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Germany are leading Brazil 5-0 inside half an hour. This is incredible. This just doesn't happen in international football, even if Germany were playing someone more like Iran. But Brazil. Jesus.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:40 PM   #131
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:03 PM   #132
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Oh god, just what is happening here.


Looks like Germany is pretty much guaranteed for Finals, now, thou a pretty big blow to the host country of all things for this to happen to.
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:08 PM   #133
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Of course I would forget about the game until now. >.< Dammit. Wish I could've watched this as it seems fairly historic. Alas. At this point Germany's sure to have fielded their B team, to let them enjoy being able to claim to friends and family down the line, "I played against Brazil in the World Cup! " Probably not worth even tuning in for ...

But wow. Germany 5, Brazil 0 ... what an embarrassing blowout.

I've been saying it for weeks now: Brazil was a one-man team and a shadow of its former self. I laughed all day yesterday and all this morning at the various American news outlets trying to build up hype and sell this game as a potentially close one. One went so far as to claim that Brazil's defense was better than the Germans'! LOL! While I expected Germany to defeat even a Neymar-bolstered Brazil, I knew without any doubt in my mind that they would win 2-0 or better against a Brazil that lacked him. But to win by 5-0 ... Jesus ... it really goes to show you just how much Neymar was holding that team together.

EDIT: Though I guess I could be talking out of my ass given that it's captain Silva who was the defensive glue. Forgot about him, I'll admit.

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Old 07-08-2014, 04:19 PM   #134
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We're only about two thirds of the way through, too. I'm hoping for a couple more German goals.
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:28 PM   #135
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Oh god another.

And 7-0. Gee.

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Old 07-08-2014, 04:30 PM   #136
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Sorry, Brazil, Neymar Nomore!
Man, Germany laid hurt.
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Final score, 7-1.
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:52 PM   #138
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Watched for the final fifteen or twenty. Ack @ that final goal, Brazil's. @_@ No offense to them, but I was really hoping for a total blowout. 7-0 is a lot more impressive in the record books than 7-1.








... Not that 7-1 isn't impressive either. ¬_¬;



EDIT: Oh gosh. They just announced that the German fans have been ordered to stay in their seats and that they will be escorted out by security. Fuck. Hope no one gets hurt by deranged Brazilian fans.
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Credit where it's due, the Brazilian fans who were still in the stadium in the latter stages of the game applauded for Germany's better moves (particularly Schürrle's first goal).
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EDIT: Oh gosh. They just announced that the German fans have been ordered to stay in their seats and that they will be escorted out by security. Fuck. Hope no one gets hurt by deranged Brazilian fans.
Since I'm pretty sure the scenes shown differ by region/channel, the Brazilians really seemed on the verge of a riot at the end, especially considering that I believe he Match was ended prematurely.

... Not that Brazil would actually go anywhere with a 7-1 disadvantage but still.
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:06 PM   #142
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Since I'm pretty sure the scenes shown differ by region/channel, the Brazilians really seemed on the verge of a riot at the end, especially considering that I believe he Match was ended prematurely.

... Not that Brazil would actually go anywhere with a 7-1 disadvantage but still.
They didn't even bother reporting the stoppage time on ESPN. It just fluidly went from the 90th minute on into the 91st, as though it were the most natural thing in the world to do. No indicator like there usually is that we've entered stoppage time. No indicator as to how long that stoppage time will be. I figured it couldn't be more than two minutes, and I felt like my suspicions were confirmed when they blew the whistle soon before or soon after we hit 92', but you're saying that your television station indicated that there was more time on the clock? Well ... I don't really know what to say in this situation. On the one hand, I would agree that the game should be played out to the very end. On the other hand, I think there's something to be said for being merciful. Calling the game early is sort of like putting a wounded dog or horse out of his misery. You don't force the defeated team to play any longer, you don't force the defeated fans to cling impossibly to hope any longer, and you don't give the superior team further chances to score goals. Germany, in a credit to their professionalism (but perhaps not to their mercy ^^;; ), did not let up at all. Very professional, but it threatened that the score could've become 8-1 before the whistle blew. Better to lock the score in at 7-1 than to risk 8-1 over hope for 7-2.

Looks like nothing bad has happened yet (that we know of). The helicopters are flying over Copacabana Beach and all you can see are defeated fans slowly walking home, carrying their belongings. No rioting, no violence, etc. A few cop cars with their sirens flashing, but they're parked in parking spots, not on the side of the road having pulled people over. Looks like they're part of organized post-game traffic control, not actively subduing rioters.
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Old 07-08-2014, 06:12 PM   #143
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...I have no words. Seriously. Man... I don't know what to say. What a fucking humiliation! Man, I was expectig it, BUT NOT AT THAT LEVEL! It was RI-DI-CU-LOUS! Agh, I'm totally mad!

Ern... About the riot. There's any link to that? Because nothing, I mean NOTHING was said here, be it on internet, television and every source of communication.
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Was Germany really that powerful?
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I don't see Germany as "that powerful". Rather as "Brazil that weak". In all honestly, they just sat their ass and watched the game. The whole team meant nothing. NO-THING!
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I don't see Germany as "that powerful". Rather as "Brazil that weak". In all honestly, they just sat their ass and watched the game. The whole team meant nothing. NO-THING!
On the one hand, it's true that Germany's offense was average and that it was Brazil's atrocious defense that resulted in this score. That it was less a case of Germany playing really, really well and more a case of Brazil playing really, really poorly.

On the other hand, we can't give the Brazilians all of the credit. Germany's done well enough in most of their previous games; entered the tournament as many a pundit's favorite to win it all; and will likely make the Dutch or the Argentinians -- whoever it is that Germany faces in the finals -- work for it if they really want to take the cup home.

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Ern... About the riot. There's any link to that? Because nothing, I mean NOTHING was said here, be it on internet, television and every source of communication.
No one claimed that there was rioting immediately after the game. What the reporters on ESPN did say was:
  1. they were concerned about the chance of rioting
  2. that the Brazilian officials at the stadium in Bela Horizonte instructed the German spectators to remain seated; security would escort them safely out of the stadium
However, since you asked and since I'm reading stories online about the game, it seems like there have been a few isolated cases of criminal activity that the press are only too happy to pick up on and blow out of proportion. For example, the New York Times reports:
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The aftermath of Brazil’s defeat could turn ugly. There were reports of a mass robbery at a fan party in Rio de Janeiro and of fans burning Brazilian flags in the streets of São Paulo even before the match was over. Local organizers and government officials have been concerned for weeks about the possibility that demonstrations — which have, for the most part, been subdued — would become more intense if Brazil were to be eliminated.
Sooooooooo ... a "mass robbery" at one private party in Rio ... and "fans" burning some flags in the streets of São Paulo. That's it. No mention of how many fans. No mention of how many victims in the "mass robbery." And only these two reported events. Given the size of Brazil, this would be like the Times reporting on "a mass robbery at a party in Pittsburgh and some Steelers fans burning flags in the streets of Cincinnati" if the Steelers were knocked out in the game right before the Super Bowl.

We'll keep you posted if there are reports of more widespread violence or other crime related to the Brazilian football team's loss. But for now, I haven't heard about much of anything either.
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Old 07-09-2014, 08:08 PM   #148
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I watched the Netherlands-Argentina game off and on. Dozed off around the 22-minute mark and awoke at the 47th, but from then on I watched the game in between attending to other things. I thought it was a pretty decent game. Pretty standard. Both teams' midfield defenses were good, with the consequence that ball possession exchanged frequently and forwards' opportunities to score were usually hurried. The goalies did good jobs in the second, particularly Argentina's from what I saw. Overall it was a clean, uneventful game which marched purposefully towards a penalty shootout. Once we were there, the Argentinians took over owing to two marvelous saves by their goalie that placed the Dutch on the ropes. The men in orange needed their goalie to catch at least one ball to keep them alive; but goal after goal did the Argentinians make, and with that they advanced to the finals.

Brazil needn't bother showing up to play for 3rd place. The Dutch played well in this game; this could just as well have been the championship game (if admittedly a bit more boring of one than one would like ^^; ). I can't imagine that they will lose to the Brazilians next game, even if the Brazilians get their captain back. It'll take an embarrassing amount of rigged refereeing to get the Brazilians a win. And the team risks the even greater embarrassment of a second game in which they lose by more than two points.

As for the championship game, based on what I witnessed here today I am still betting on the Germans to take home the cup. None of the three teams -- Germany, Argentina, the Netherlands -- has given me the impression that they are a Pelé's Brazil or a Maradona's Argentina. But at the same time, they all feel to me to be, in two words, "positively German." Which is to say, they feel like they have a B+ in offense and a B+ in defense -- that they are well-rounded and above average in all areas. I don't see an A-class offense or an A-class defense, but I don't see a C-class offense or defense either. It reminds me of how Germany almost always was in the 1990s and 2000s. "Always the bridesmaid, never the bride." It looks like since this year's tournament was devoid of brides proper, it proved to be an opportunity for the three top bridesmaids to duke it out. And of these three, I feel like Germany has their shit together the best.

Final predictions: Germany wins 3-1 against Argentina, the third German goal scored at or after the 79th minute.
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Still don't understand why the Dutch sent Vlaar to take the first penalty. He'd been having an excellent night, but he's a central defender. Probably never taken a penalty in a real match before in his life. Why not send Robben, Sneijder, Kuyt or Huntelaar out first?
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Pre-game prediction; Germany 3 - 1 Argentina.
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