08-11-2016, 05:54 PM | #2051 |
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Please don't try to bait me. How many times have we done this song and dance already?
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08-12-2016, 01:00 AM | #2053 |
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Yes, because issues comparable to or worse than those of Alcohol and Tobacco DEFINITELY make a substance more dangerous than Cocaine.
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08-12-2016, 01:17 AM | #2054 |
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Alcohol and tobacco being legal have no bearing on marijuana.
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08-12-2016, 02:17 AM | #2055 |
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They do, however, put into perspective how hypocritical and irrational the EDA's position on marijuana is.
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08-12-2016, 07:42 AM | #2057 |
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08-12-2016, 09:02 AM | #2058 |
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They really don't.
Marijuana shouldn't be legal. Neither should tobacco or alcohol, or any other potential "drugs of abuse". Tobacco and alcohol are legal for a number of grandfathered reasons that aren't really in the people's best interest...but that doesn't mean that marijuana should be legal just because they already are.
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08-12-2016, 09:09 AM | #2059 |
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Yeah, criminalising marijuana has had absolute NO adverse effects. Not a one.
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08-12-2016, 09:56 AM | #2060 |
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Alcohol is legal because we tried prohibition and it failed so miserably.
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08-12-2016, 10:50 AM | #2061 |
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Don't forget the key part where the people illegal consuming it were white so they couldn't just thrown in jail en masse.
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08-12-2016, 10:54 AM | #2062 |
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Did you really just say alcohol and tobacco shouldn't be legal?
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Rangeet I'm going to have to politely ask you to stop, as your cognitive dissonance is giving me a headache.
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08-12-2016, 02:28 PM | #2065 |
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Weed is really not side effect free. At all. But it should be legal.
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08-12-2016, 04:49 PM | #2066 |
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Yes, this is true. However it can be argued the side-effects of weed are far less terrible for the body and mind than alcohol is. Listing it as a class-a substance on par with heroin is simply overkill.
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08-12-2016, 05:24 PM | #2067 | |
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Hi. British liberal here. Big fan of (for example) Justin Trudeau. Agree with Sanders being a demagogue.
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>people acting like its ridiculous to think of banning alcohol
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08-12-2016, 09:20 PM | #2069 |
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Yes, if we were starting a new society from scratch, the order of "what should be banned" would be alcohol, tobacco, pot, so yeah
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20 years ago, my sister could not visit Davao City because Americans were routinely kidnapped there by jihadis, NPA or drug addicts to force a ransom. Today, it's the cleanest and safest city in Southeast Asia. And soon the rest of the Philippines will be the same. There's way more cost to allowing legal drugs than banning them. Especially on healthcare. Narcan ain't cheap.
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I don't think you can ban alcohol in any developed country until such a cultural shift takes place, as would require centuries to do, that alcohol is seen as abhorrent by 95%+ of people in the community.
1. Alcohol is too culturally entrenched in much of the world. 2. The world is more interconnected than ever thanks to the telecommunication revolution. These are major factors for why a second prohibition movement will likely not take place in this country for quite some time. People are so enamored with their alcohol that they would sooner find ways to treat all the ails that alcohol causes than admit that it's a poison and maybe, just maybe, you're not supposed to ingest poisons.
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Because they turned law enforcement loose to MURDER citizens accused of drug dealing and abuse? Because that's what's happening. I'm going to assume you didn't know this, because I refuse to believe you'd think that is a-ok.
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Fighting the war on drugs ain't cheap, especially when you consider how many lives it costs, and we should know by now that people are going to get their drugs one way or the other. If people want something, they're going to get it. That fuels the drug war and drug trade/cartels, who could instead be massively, massively hurt by outright legalizing pot in the US = decreased sales = decreased trade = decreased amount of dealers and cartels = decreased danger when purchasing drugs = decreased amount of deaths = increased tax money for the US. Alcohol has existed for tens of thousands of years, trying to outlaw it is stupid, especially given that we've seen what happened during prohibition. Yes, the things that are caused by alcohol (drunk driving, drinking pregnant, etc), yes, these are all terrible side-effects of legal alcohol, but outlawing it will literally change nothing. Fuck, outlawing weed hasn't changed millions of people smoking weed consistently, and when they get caught they get sent to prison for non-violent crimes and have their lives ruined. Some pothead sitting in their house's basement and getting high and not hurting anyone shouldn't be grounds for such stupid consequences. Banning things people are going to do/get either way is stupid. The safer and saner option is to allow them with strict restrictions and punishment for abuse, as opposed to letting people get mixed up in bad back alley deals getting a product that might cause them harm, and letting these people continue to purchase drugs like this will just keep cartels and dealers business' booming. |
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And strictly speaking, drugs aren't exactly a huge problem to the US economy. The war on drugs is effectively a cost-sink, meant to satisfy a value of the American people. Economically, the US is better off not spending a dime on fighting drugs, and incurs a smaller cost than fighting it. Legalizing everything could also be a better outcome than fighting it, but you create a class of people who exist only to pay money for drugs. Basically you turn them into cows/pigs, with no value except to be exploited by their owners. Quote:
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That's one of the most interesting take aways from what's going on the Philippines. Duterte offers 10,000 pesos for turning in a drug user/drug pusher alive. He offers 60,000 pesos for turning in the user/pusher dead. If you are a user, and you turn yourself in, you are enrolled in a free detox/rehab program. Pushers suddenly have a need to immediately surrender to police, because all of their clients now have an incentive to not just to rat them out, but to kill them! There are bounties on the users themselves, so it's an immediate threat to clean up, or else you'll likely be murdered. Users and pushers turn on each other, which sabotages the root problem. There are drug facilitators higher in the government, and that's where Duterte's lists come into play, where he names the high-ranking pushers so the police or vigilantes can target them. For reference, you can throw a lavish wedding for 60,000 pesos. It's brutal, and a massive human rights violation...but it's effective.
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