11-13-2016, 03:51 PM | #2976 |
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Trump dumps Christie over bridge.
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11-13-2016, 04:40 PM | #2977 |
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Fair and a step in the right direction.
Bridgegate is really bad. Like, Scooter Libby-tier bad. Of course, Cheney didn't get canned because he was (one) of the men behind the man. At least Trump knows how to fire people!
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Thiel, one of Paypal's co-founders, is the puppetmaster behind the murder of Gawker. His beef against Gawker started when Gawker pulled him out of the closest, and he bankrolled Hulk Hogan and prevented Gawker from seeking outside money to protect itself during the lawsuit. He's a known Trump supporter, but he's possibly the oddest one so far. He's a tech entrepreneur and gay, and while neither aspects are contrary to Trump's campaign, such people tend to hold opposing views to what Trump has advocated on the campaign trail. Still. He's likely to find some office work somewhere in this incoming cabinet, and you would not see such a person in the Bush Administration.
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11-13-2016, 07:35 PM | #2979 |
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I was also making a joke about how I hoped Trump pushed Christie off a bridge.
In unfortunate news, Trump picks Priebus as chief of staff and Bannon as chief strategist. |
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No, this is good. It looks like Trump is taking in a wider variety of people. People who won't just be yes-men. People who his voter base likes and will be comfortable with him listening to.
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There aren't any states who are more or less fine with women having abortions, only individuals and individual organizations, and they're linked up on the national level. It seems almost trivially easy to come up with a set of common-sense restrictions that restrict or allow abortions on the grounds of: 1. Is this a child of rape or incest? 2. Is the mother in danger as a result of carrying this pregnancy to term? 3. Are nearby adoption centers and churches at full capacity and unable to care for the mother and/or child? 4. Is the mother physically, financially, or mentally incapable of caring for the child? As well as possible considerations for women who were practicing safe sex but were part of the .01% of babies that slipped through, I guess...though that seems really punishing to women who don't practice safe sex. I don't want a play with fire/get burned mentality going through (you could always just lie and say you used a condom but it didn't work...who's gonna force you to say you didn't?). Also I kinda like the idea of "well we did everything possible to hold you down but you came through anyway. you're special." It's very sweet What possible different perspective does Texas have on abortion that Wisconsin doesn't? What's the cultural difference between Bammer and Weesiana that means that a woman in Bammer can have all the abortions she wants but Weesiana is back in the fucking stone age and would lynch a woman for killing her baby? Also I SWEAR TO FUCKING CHRIST people, WE HAVE GUN LAWS. In fact, the areas of the country where gun laws are strictest are the most violent areas in the country. We need economic and mental-health reforms to stop gun violence, and WOULD YOU JUST LOOK AT THE KINDS OF THINGS TRUMP IS FOCUSING HIS ATTENTION ON
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11-14-2016, 12:55 AM | #2981 |
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"It's irrelevant because it was already settled. It's law. It was settled in the Supreme Court. I mean it's done."
... How does this not apply to Roe v. Wade as well? Or any other Supreme Court ruling, for that matter? ObamaCare, which the Supreme Court vetted not once but twice!? I'm not saying the man is not allowed to have a personal logic. I'm not saying he has to think "once settled, forever settled" nor am I saying he has to think "settled for now but could always be overturned later". And lord only knows there's a huge list of social issues previously "settled" by older Supreme Courts that were then later overturned by more recent ones. (Anything related to slavery and race, for starters ...) But what I am saying is, the man's very own words go against what he says not but two minutes later. "I'm leaving gay marriage alone because it's been settled, it's done. But I'm challenging abortion to a duel because ... umm ... it's been settled wrongly? " He isn't making any sense. How on earth are his anti-gay marriage supporters supposed to be happy with his rationale for why he won't take on gay marriage? And how on earth are his pro-abortion detractors supposed to be happy with his rationale for why he won't take on gay marriage when that very same rationale ought to be being applied to abortion too? It's bizarre.
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"White voters who have a strong connection to their ethnic and racial identity felt threatened by immigration from other races and voted for the candidate who promised to stop that from happening." WOW that is some TOP TIER FINDINGS this is going to BLOW THE POLITICAL WORLD OFF ITS HINGES???
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11-14-2016, 07:13 AM | #2984 |
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Lol Shuckle you were literally trying to convince us Trump and his supporters weren't racist a few days ago.
In other news, D R A I N I N G T H E S W A M P
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I don't get the issue here. Also, watching people call any white people who vote in their self-interest "white supremacists" is pretty hilarious.
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11-14-2016, 10:20 AM | #2987 |
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He's been pretty consistent throughout this thread that anyone who disagrees with him is the worst kind of spooky ghost nazi.
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11-14-2016, 03:35 PM | #2988 |
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Putting the chairman of fucking Breitbart in charge of many decisions as Chief of Staff.
HOW THE FUCKING FUCK IS NO ONE NERVOUS ABOUT THIS? |
11-14-2016, 04:35 PM | #2989 |
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In fairness I didn't know who he was
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So this is one of those times when I get lost in the specifics of your government; chief strategist to me sounds like one of those job titles that's made up to sound grand and important without having any actual responsibilities, but I have no idea what they actually do.
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11-14-2016, 05:40 PM | #2991 |
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It's an advisory position, nothing more. However, the Senior Counselor/Chief Strategist generally sets the thematic idea for how the presidency is going to roll. If your campaign is run on drug user crackdowns, the strategist researches the policies needed and actions you have to take to reach that goal.
VGM's excessive fear mongering aside, the move does suggest that Trump is going to go forward with an alt-right themed approach to his presidency. Which was to be expected in some form or another, since that group also made up a big part of Trump's voter base.
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Yeah, what Concept said. Reince Priebus was selected as Chief of Staff while Bannon ended up his Chief Strategist. Basically, Bannon will likely be to Trump what Karl Rove was to Bush. Still not the most un-worrying of decisions but not all too surprising given Bannon's position in the Trump campaign.
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I'm split between the Priebus pick because it's both a responsible choice and so obviously counter to #DrainTheSwamp.
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11-14-2016, 07:11 PM | #2994 |
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Trump needs a few bloodsuckers to hang around. A cabinet bereft of insiders would lead to a Jimmy Carter-esque presidency. Obama is at the other end of the outcome spectrum, someone who stacks his cabinet with nothing but establishment insiders.
I'm more surprised Priebus would accept it. Don't establishment Republicans hate Trump?
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This is the same strategy Lincoln used to great effect! He surrounded himself with advisors who would share differing points of view and make decisions after listening to their thoughts and arguments. Sometimes he would ignore everyone, sometimes he would listen to everyone. Also, Trump's campaign is "A billionaire abuses tax loopholes to get rich. Thus, he knows about the tax loopholes and wishes to close them, permanently, for every industry." It seems that he wishes to do the same for lobbyists and establishment Republicans, which means finding insiders and beneficiaries of the broken system and asking them to help him get rid of the abuses of power.
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"Man, I really hate it when people vote for someone outside of the two major parties!" - this guy also He can get fucked. Sick and tired of angry liberals trying to shame those who voted but did not vote for either Trump or Clinton. (Whether it's for Crazy Gary, for Crazy Jill, or for a write-in like I did.) We already had this discussion several months ago: "You can reject the two major parties, and in fact you should probably do so, but you have to be prepared for it to be a long, arduous slog with lots of disappointment along the way." I agreed with that back then, I stayed true to my word, and I intend to continue to do so. I'm done with voting for "the lesser of two evils." This guy's self-righteous indignation is beyond contempt. He has no fucking place to get shitty with liberals disappointed in a Trump presidency who didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton any more than he has place to get shitty with liberals disappointed in a Clinton presidency who didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton. People are within their personal right to be disappointed with outcomes they do not like. And Americans are well within their right, both legally and morally, to not support either candidate nominated by the two major political parties. Is he correct that a non-Trump, non-Clinton vote was (at best) a de facto non-vote and (at worst, and in hindsight) a vote for Trump in 2016? Yes, probably. We could debate it, but I'll concede it. But is he correct that a non-R, non-D vote would be a non-vote in 2060? No. Not necessarily. If we start the change now, in 2016, then maybe by 2060 we'll be looking at a brighter political landscape with better party choices and better candidates to choose from. I always tell people, "Vote with your dollar-votes" when it comes to making purchases. Don't like DLC? Quit buying DLC-heavy games from DLC-addicted companies. Don't like games that are 90% movie 10% shitty hallway? Quit buying games from companies that make those games. Well it's the same damn thing with actual voting. Don't trust the DNC? Don't trust the RNC? Don't care for either of the candidates that they put forward? And yet want to know in your heart of hearts that you're a responsible citizen who voted rather than making excuses for staying home on Election Day? Then fucking vote for someone else. Anyone else. I am content with my vote. I am glad to have not caved to pressure from people like this man, many of whom we can find on our very own forum. "Fuck you, Talon, you helped Donald Trump to get elected!" No, fuck you right back because it's thanks to assholes like you, so paralyzed by the propaganda-drenched fear the major parties keep spewing at you, that we've been in this rut for the past 50 years. Quit blaming men and women who are trying to fix the problem, even if you don't agree with their solution. Start trying to solve the problem. Spoilers: "solving the problem from within" isn't the correct answer. YOU'VE HAD OVER 50 FUCKING YEARS TO PROVE THAT IT IS AND YOU'VE COME UP SHORT HANDED EVERY FUCKING TIME.
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