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Old 10-23-2012, 02:34 PM   #1426
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Interesting that Obama is losing a little ground. Could be a close one
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:45 PM   #1427
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I'm betting on a landslide.


It seems Romney's strategy was not to win the debate but to win voters. His plan was to look presidential and capable to the swing voters, presenting himself as a viable alternative to Obama. A calm, strong, knowledgeable, and resolved Leader.

Whereas Obama was trying to incite a self-implosion on Romney's part, but the bait wasn't taken. In the end he just looked desperate and condescending. Not exactly someone on top of his game.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:58 PM   #1428
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A landslide for Obama, I agree.
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:46 PM   #1429
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Since Economy is one of the big tipping points of this election, let's dispel some myths about the National Debt, courtesy of John Green.

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A landslide for Obama, I agree.
How can you keep deluding yourself?

Obama's been losing ground since the debates, his caricatures of Romney have blown up in his face, and he's not just behind in the polls, but he's already conceding states! His administration is ridden with scandals, his term riddled with broken promises, the economy sucks worse than when he took office, and his signature legislation (Obamacare) is something the majority of Americans reject.

Prospects do not look good for him, no matter how you look at it. Even if he were to win, which is becoming less and less likely everyday, it would be barely neck and neck.

I don't know what world you're living in, but it's certainly not reality. Well, you'll wake up soon enough after the Election.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:52 PM   #1432
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Well, you'll wake up soon enough after the Election.
Yeah, I'll wake up in a body bag after I'm sent home from fighting the AXIDS OF EVUUUL in Iran after Presuhdent Rmoney reinstates the draft, breaks the economy under the weight of another war, and pisses off the rest of the region into WW3.

But it's okay, he fulfills the White Horse Prophecy and will be doing it in part under the Oath of Vengeance. Right, UM?
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:48 PM   #1434
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WTF indeed. That's certainly unexpected. So I decided to do a little digging.


That news story links to here as a source, which then links to here.
Besides the fact that the source website is obviously liberal/Democrat biased, both of those stories are written by the same 2 people, a particular Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman.
Both of which are essentially no-names on the site, with only one accomplishment to their name, a for-sale E-book called "Will the GOP Steal America's 2012 Election?"

Further investigation into the authors gives me this to say:
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Fitrakis was a member of the Human Rights Party in Michigan, a founding member of the Michigan Democratic Socialists Caucus (DSC), a founding member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and the Democratic Socialists of Central Ohio (DSCO). He served on the National Political Committe of DSA in 1994-5.
http://freepress.org/columns/display/3

Harvey Wasserman is a little less interesting of a figure, being mostly a major proponent of green energy, and anti-nuclear (an obvious democrat).

I'm not about to spend money on their E-book, so this is about as far as the investigation can go, I can't verify their claims (how convenient for them), but, a Socialist Party Founder? Definitely suspicious credentials there, makes their claim far less believable.


But, if Romney does plan on owning Voting machines in swing states, who owns voting machines in the rest of the states, and why is that not also an issue? Besides the fact that Democrats are notorious for election fraud.

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Yeah, I'll wake up in a body bag after I'm sent home from fighting the AXIDS OF EVUUUL in Iran after Presuhdent Rmoney reinstates the draft, breaks the economy under the weight of another war, and pisses off the rest of the region into WW3.
Except, when has Romney said he would do any of this? Seems to me he prefers peace through strength, rather than peace through war. Unless something unheard of occurs, out of Romney's control, I highly doubt there will be any additional Wars.

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But it's okay, he fulfills the White Horse Prophecy and will be doing it in part under the Oath of Vengeance. Right, UM?
That's assuming the Constitution is hanging by a thread right now. Do you think the Constitution is hanging by a thread? It's certainly in danger, but I don't think we've seen anything yet regarding the loss of the Constitution.

Who knows. There's still Daniel's vision, also seen by Esdras in the Apocrypha, that's currently in the works, and unfinished yet.

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Old 10-23-2012, 08:51 PM   #1435
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:56 PM   #1436
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>Besides the fact that Democrats are notorious for election fraud.

C'mon, um, you're really just not trying anymore. At least try to back up your demonizing generalizations with some fact.
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I like the part where he didn't even address the White Horse Prophecy and the Oath of Vengeance that Mormons believe R-Money will fulfill (though they'll tell you otherwise). lol
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>Besides the fact that Democrats are notorious for election fraud.

C'mon, um, you're really just not trying anymore. At least try to back up your demonizing generalizations with some fact.
You mean something like this?

Speaking of Acorn.
Obama's a big bundler of theirs.

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Old 10-23-2012, 09:17 PM   #1439
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Let's just totally moot your whole argument by showing that there is practically no voter fraud in the US that it's just a scaretactic used by politicians to attempt to invalidate each other.
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Love how you completely ignore the point.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:22 PM   #1441
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Love how you completely ignore the point.
lol no. He is addressing the point BEHIND your point. If there is practically no voter fraud, then, there is not enough fraud to prove that the Democrats are dirty election swingers.
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lol no. He is addressing the point BEHIND your point. If there is practically no voter fraud, then, there is not enough fraud to prove that the Democrats are dirty election swingers.
Except that, his own source proves that there IS voter fraud going on, just that, prosecutions for it are very low. Just because some are caught doesn't mean they all are. It's impossible to say how much fraud there actually is going on. So, nice try, but, not really.

Also, Acorn.
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I am not ignoring your point. You have no point.

You really can't make any claims about anyone doing anything to swing elections when it really just doesn't happen. If there's some mysterious body conducting voter fraud en masse, we sure as hell don't see it, nor has it influenced any election enough to be a problem.

So do your research before you spout off your rebuttals.

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Oh boy I knew you'd bring that up.

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Except that, his own source proves that there IS voter fraud going on, just that, prosecutions for it are very low. Just because some are caught doesn't mean they all are. It's impossible to say how much fraud there actually is going on. So, nice try, but, not really.

Also, Acorn.
Right. But you are implying there is a lot more going on. There may not be.

Don't use hypothetical. I could say that only 1/4 of all murders are properly documented. Could you prove me wrong? No. Because the other 3/4 have not been documented.

You have to go by confirmed numbers, otherwise, nothing either Obama or Romney say can be proven.

So, nice try, but, no really.
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Oh and in my like 5 minutes of research, pretty much all the "voter fraud" committed by ACORN was voter registration fraud, which is a completely different thing from actually casting a ballot. This kind of thing happens all the time and while illegal is pretty much harmless in and of itself.

Is it really that hard for you to google "impact of ACORN voter fraud" and find this all out for yourself? Basing your opinions on a four-year-old media blitz is really, really poor form.

But you're a wildly stubborn megalomaniac so I don't know why I'm even debating with you. Pretty much everyone on this forum will agree with me so it's not like I'm really getting anything out of proving you wrong, since you'll just brush it off and act like you're totally right regardless.

Enjoy your ignorance, I guess.
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I am not ignoring your point. You have no point.

You really can't make any claims about anyone doing anything to swing elections when it really just doesn't happen. If there's some mysterious body conducting voter fraud en masse, we sure as hell don't see it, nor has it influenced any election enough to be a problem.

So do your research before you spout off your rebuttals.

You're trying to disprove something I never said. -.-
I said they were notorious for voter fraud, meaning, they do it, and everyone knows that do it, I never made a claim either way about whether that fraud amounted to anything.

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Oh boy I knew you'd bring that up.

Here, read this.
What in the world does that have to do with anything regarding Acorn's Democrat ties, and their and other democrat voter fraud?

There is no way you can logically say that "Democrats do not engage in voter fraud," by saying "any and all voter fraud that occurs doesn't impact anything." You are by admission, agreeing with my point, but trying to downplay it by saying "oh, it's ok that they do this, because it doesn't impact anything anyway."
Whether it impacts anything is beside the point and you know it. That's not what I was saying.


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Right. But you are implying there is a lot more going on. There may not be.
My point was that we don't know, and because we don't know, we Can Not say for certain any which way. While Jeri is saying "for certain" one way. I'm not saying it's the opposite way as you seem to believe I am, I'm saying he can not assert "his way" as the "correct" way. And if you go back and reread what I've been saying, I'm sure you would see that.

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Don't use hypothetical. I could say that only 1/4 of all murders are properly documented. Could you prove me wrong? No. Because the other 3/4 have not been documented.
I"m not using hypotheticals, I'm stating the true extend is unknown. It could be one way, or it could be the other. The only thing I'm saying is that Jeri can not say it is "for certain" one way, and must cede that point.

Instead, He's trying to set up a strawman or some sort of semantic argument where disagreeing with him means I support the opposite of his position, which is entirely not the case. I support the position of there being no verifiable position, and thus his argument, which attempts to set up a verifiable position is invalid.

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You have to go by confirmed numbers, otherwise, nothing either Obama or Romney say can be proven.
That's exactly my point! -.-
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But you're a wildly stubborn megalomaniac so I don't know why I'm even debating with you. Pretty much everyone on this forum will agree with me so it's not like I'm really getting anything out of proving you wrong, since you'll just brush it off and act like you're totally right regardless.

Enjoy your ignorance, I guess.
The only megalomaniac here is you, because you are deliberately misrepresenting my position. I'm not brushing off, I'm asserting the same thing I've been saying which you have yet to address, because the only thing you are addressing is your misrepresentation of my position. You're not arguing with me, you're arguing with what you want to think is me, yet I am saying none of it. And this is one of the reasons it's impossible to debate productively with you people.

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Oh and in my like 5 minutes of research, pretty much all the "voter fraud" committed by ACORN was voter registration fraud, which is a completely different thing from actually casting a ballot. This kind of thing happens all the time and while illegal is pretty much harmless in and of itself.
I said "voter fraud", not "casting ballots" and registration fraud is included. Whether it's harmless or not, it's still illegal, and Democrats are still notorious for it. I declare this point argument over.

Now stop putting words in my mouth and start reading what I actually type.
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Just saw an interesting graphic. It appears that most of the rest of the world would rather have Obama than Romney as president. Of course, I'm sure many of the people "prefer" Obama because they actually know who he is, instead of Romney, whom they know almost nothing about. Still, interesting to see, I think.
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Just saw an interesting graphic. It appears that most of the rest of the world would rather have Obama than Romney as president. Of course, I'm sure many of the people "prefer" Obama because they actually know who he is, instead of Romney, whom they know almost nothing about. Still, interesting to see, I think.
Whether he deserved it as an individual or not, it's no accident that Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize shortly after his inauguration in 2009. It's not a surprise that the international community is sick and fucking tired of America the Self-Proclaimed Sheriff of the Wild Wild West Middle East.
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