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I mentioned in the Penguindrum thread that I already watched the episode yesterday, but wasn't really sure what to make of it so I waited for your opinions first. Interesting to hear it actually was a filler.
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Spoiler: show Same! lol And I came to the same realization, too! ("But then they'd be the same age, Talon, and we know that isn't true ...")
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Spoiler: show Pretty sure the Einzberns are German. ^^; Could be wrong, but ... pretty sure Ilya's not in Russia. (Yes, Ilya and Iri most definitely do dress like traditional Russian aristocratic women. ^^; But I'm pretty sure they're a German family.) As for what you said about why Tokiomi may not have used his magic to {do stuff}, that's a good point. "Like Servant, like Master" indeed. He does seem pretty stern. Perhaps you're right. EDIT: Well I'll be damned. Looked up "Fate wikia zenjou" to confirm I was spelling it correctly and ... well, click the spoiler box if you want to learn who the Zenjous are. Spoiler: show
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Didn't catch the name of the family they were staying with. Neat to learn their background.
As for Waver and Zouken... Spoiler: show Oh, really? ^^; I always thought they were Russian. My bad.
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Blame Nasu for mixing Russian clothing and architecture (Castle Einzbern looks like it's ripped straight out of St. Petersburg with all of that gilded white interior [1][2][3]) with a German family name and a desire to argue that magic has a long history in Germany (what? ). Ilya's grandfather's nickname, Acht, is the German word for "Eight." It seems to indicate that he is the eighth family head since the family's establishment during the Middle Ages. That brings us to another thing which, afaik, Nasu's never really come out and declared one way or another, and that is that ...
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The Zenjous are Japanese. I was under the impression they lived in Old Fuyuki, the Japanese section of town or across the big river. They're definitely not in another city, Fuyuki is actually pretty huge.
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12-04-2011, 11:43 PM | #283 |
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I said Justica was one. -.- Don't correct me on mistakes I didn't make. [/pet peeve]
EDIT: Thanks for the answer though.
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Haven't watched Episode 10 a second time yet, but I did just have it open in the background and when I glanced over at it, it was when Tokiomi was sending Rin and Aoi away for their own safety. Tokiomi's wording (quoted from UTW's translation) may be what influenced Yuki to think what she thought:
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12-05-2011, 10:52 AM | #286 |
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It's not like Tokiomi doesn't care for Sakura at all, he's most similar to the Habsburgs who would instill their children in other countries to claim them as political allies. Giving away Sakura is analogous to marrying her off, what happened to her afterward isn't his business, nor does it really concern him. But he does want her to succeed, because it reflects highly on himself.
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I'm impressed with the art direction in F/Z, I just watched Episode 9. The use of lighting to show the torn apart bodies that Waver stumbled on was an effective way of depicting how horribly grotesque they were. We all know Urobuchi loves guro, so this was a nice way of side stepping the brutality.
I find I don't agree with Talon on the music, though. Though Kawai Kenji had an uneven mix of good, bad and mediocre tracks (with an ear for picking the better tracks from the game to use) they're a lot more memorable and exciting than the music in F/Z. It's orchestral stuff, which is +1 over the synthesized tracks Kenji used, but generic background orchestral stuff, so there's little distinction between the tracks.
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OH... MY... GOD...
Episode 11 was... AWESOME. If F/Z could keep stuff like this up, f yeah I would consider giving it 9/10. The entire episode represented everything I've been wanting to see from the Grail War's premise and more. Just... Wow. This is a episode I'd want to re-watch over and over if I had the time. Spoiler: show
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12-10-2011, 03:45 PM | #289 |
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I could easily imagine 5th War Archer feeling the same for 4th War Rider as Maarek Stele did for Baron Soontir-Fel in Tie Fighter. Stele was never fully aware of why he was so devoted to the Empire, and became pessimistic as its warring factions disintegrated the law and order it once imposed. But Fel, a gifted leader with strong philosophies, was able to give Stele the direction and purpose he had been searching for.
Not only would the two have worked well together with their complementary abilities, they would have got along well together too. Yay, my favourite part of the novel is here!
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I've been F5'ing Commie and UTW all day. How have you already seen it?
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12-10-2011, 05:17 PM | #292 |
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Nico subs are the only ones out. According to 8thsin, it's not a bad translation to go with for F/Z, so I bit the bullet and downloaded it (though I have yet to watch it).
@Corsola - it's revealed in FHA. There are some parallels with Shirou v. Gilgamesh (in UBW), Berserker v. Gilgamesh (UBW) and Archer v. Berserker (Fate).
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Just got Commie's. Will watch later. Yuki's kinda sorta already spoilered me on what-- Yuki: You guessed! On what-- Yuki: YOU GUESSED! ... on what happens. ^^;
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12-10-2011, 06:53 PM | #294 |
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Derp.
What was I looking at? =_= *deletes*
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Just finished Episode 11. (Credits are playing as we speak.) Excellent episode. Some have complained about the exposition-heavy Fate/Zero, but I think this exposition is where Fate/Zero is strongest and most similar to the FSN video game. Not only that, but this episode coupled fabulous exposition with superb action, providing ample service to both camps. A really, really good episode. I would have probably found it one-thousand times more epic had I not been previously spoilered by my own hand four years ago as to what the likely identity of Rider's Noble Phantasm was, but alas, what's done is done. Still: a very good episode.
Just read Yuki's comments. Piggybacking on what she said ... Spoiler: show As for Yuki's question about how it's going to be possible to defeat Rider's epic Noble Phantasm ... that, I'm afraid, I think I spoiled myself on just this year when I greedily (and foolishly! ^^; ) read the text that goes along with this one image that I'd been wondering about for some time. So I think I have the answer to that one. Will PM Doppel to confirm.
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It's difficult to tell if Iskander's philosophy is in line with Aristotle, because we don't know much about Macedonia's government in TYPE-MOON. Real life Alexander didn't follow his teacher's philosophy all that well, and I'd wager Iskander to not be much different. His swagger suggests "what's good for me is good for my people" and that's pretty Anti-Aristotelian. I think Aristotle would admire Saber's desire to serve for the good of her people, but would be disgusted by how she's doing it. The funny part is, 90% of the pre-Christian or Pagan Heroic Spirits subscribe to Iskander's viewpoint. Gilgamesh even commented on it earlier during his discussion with Kotomine, a Roman Catholic Priest. Cu Chulainn admitted the same in FHA. The seculars have a hard time understanding the abstract ideals of subsequent generations.
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The same as his teacher's teachings: I could go for this because it would show that Nasu/Gen did his homework and that Iskander's beliefs reflect what the ideal Aristotelian ruler would do. The opposite of his teacher's teachings: I could really go for this because: (1) I agree that IRL it's probably what Alexander did (i.e. did not follow Aristotle's advice to a tee) and (2) it makes for the much more delicious tragedy ("Oh, sensei! I should have listened to you! If I had, then perhaps I would not have wound up dying here as I am today! ............ but alas, no! I have no regrets. For had I listened to you, then never would I have come to be the man I am today.") Either outcome is cool. I just would like to see it explored. Doubt I'll get to have it, though, all things considered. Quote:
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And you led me to believe you had no idea what Rider's Noble Phantasm was. >_< Our speculation never once suggested something like this would happen at all.
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Gilgamesh doesn't understand the Christian view of self-denial as a virtue. Nobody from the ancient world seems to. One could say he can't empathize with modern humans at all. The ultimate goal of both Christians and Sorcerers is eternal life, but both seek it through different venues. Gilgamesh is famous for his pursuit of eternal life after Enkidu died, and his realization is that one's legend is where true immortality can be found. But Gil has the most famous legend in history, save perhaps Heracles', and he never (nor his people ever) had to struggle like how modern plebeians have to. So one can imagine how he finds Tokiomi dull, he's not only been there/done that, Tokiomi's doing it in a really abstract manner.
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Animation Debacle Discussion. Click at your own risk.
Spoiler: show All of that stated ... I don't think the animation was universally bad.
- non-spoilered and well-animated, I'd have given this a 10/10 - being as I was spoilered, had it been well-animated I'd have given it a 9/10 - as things stand, I'd probably give it an 8/10
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