03-17-2012, 02:26 PM | #1 |
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UPN Challenge Cup League
The UPN Challenge Cup League is currently in open beta. We're working out kinks right now. If you'd like to help beta test, sign up below.
Latest batch: March 20, 2012 @ 7:16pm EDT Have you ever wanted to battle with monsters you don't normally use? Have you ever thought it might be fun to use randomly-assigned creatures in a fight against an opponent? Have you ever wondered what Pokémon Online's CC would be like if the monsters consistently had good movesets? Well, wonder no longer: because your dreams have become reality! Welcome to the Universal Pokémon Network Challenge Cup League! The UPN CC League is inspired by Pokémon Online's Challenge Cup format. In the P-O CC, you are randomly assigned six creatures who in turn have randomly assigned movesets and EVs. It's a fun format that pits you against other trainers in a true test of your abilities as a battler. Knowing when to switch and when not to switch, knowing how to successfully bluff (or counter-bluff!) an opponent, and thinking outside the box are all important skills for any Pokémon battle: but they're ones which are especially important in the Challenge Cup. But one common complaint that even we lovers of the Challenge Cup format have had about it is, "Man , I sure do wish that the creatures had better movesets." We don't mind the random nature of some of the movesets but in some cases it's just ridiculous. Like when you get a Starmie without a single water, electric, ice, or utility move. Or like when you get a Blissey who only knows physical attacks. So we thought, "If P-O won't bring our dream CC to us, then we'll bring our dream CC to them ... " And so the UPN CC League was born. How It Works: In brief (details below in spoiler box), we've created competitive movesets for a host of Pokémon. First, you'll need to get the boxes from me. Then, you need to RNG to determine your teams. And then you fight! Pretty simple, right? It is. So don't be frightened by the wall of text below. XP It's only long because I'm holding your hand every step of the way explaining to you how this system works. Spoiler: show
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03-17-2012, 02:27 PM | #2 |
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The possibilities for this league are pretty endless. We can do ...
So here's where you come in. We need you. We're looking for people to join the open beta and to help beta test this project with us. Here's what we need:
What we're most looking for right now are not fully evolved Pokémon. That doesn't mean you can't donate fully evolveds too -- you can! and please do! -- but just that we're really sorely in need of more of the little ones. Fully evolveds with shit base stat totals (BSTs) count as not fully evolveds for the purposes of this request. Note: we reserve the right to modify any and all attributes of the Pokémon you submit. That doesn't mean we're going to do it often. It just means that if we feel your Pokémon is either underperforming or overperforming and that we know of a way to fix that, we reserve the right to implement that change. (For example, the Mewtwo we have right now with Calm Mind, Psystrike, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt has proven almost retardedly too powerful. So we may have to replace Calm Mind for a joke move like Tickle or Quash or something. )
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03-17-2012, 02:29 PM | #3 |
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Will probably edit in comprehensive creature list here eventually in the event P-O goes down or something. That's a lot of work though. So for now, here's the listing of all the creatures we have by name. Click on either of the links below.
Current list of creatures - NationalDex order - names only Current list of creatures - alphabetical order - names only
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03-17-2012, 02:36 PM | #4 |
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Sounds good...I can knock up a few amusing novelty Pokémon (my speciality after Klink!). Wasn't terribly keen when I thought this was totally random using the PO-CC format, but if we have a pool of Pokemon which are varying ability but generally usable then that's very cool.
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03-17-2012, 05:24 PM | #5 |
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I'm interested in multiple ways.
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03-17-2012, 07:40 PM | #6 |
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Alternatively, there's a battle server called Pokemon Showdown that's actually quite popular that already does this. Though it would be cool to compete against all of you. Also, I'd be interested in helping to create competitve movesets if you need them, since I have experience with that.
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03-17-2012, 08:08 PM | #7 | |
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1. While it is strictly better than Pokémon Online's Challenge Cup, and while the creatures do have pretty decent movesets and appropriate hold items, I don't think it holds a candle to what we've been making. Also, if we trust that P-O's algorithm for Pokemon levels is correct, then these guys' is way off. I saw Level 95 Ponytas fighting Level 90 Slakings just now. You'd never see that on P-O. This makes me think that, on this site, the weenies are still completely outclassed by the ubers and other Pokemon whose BSTs are 525 or greater. That simply isn't the case with P-O's CC, and it isn't the case with ours either. 2. You can't do a Battle Factory-style thing with this app as it exists currently. You can with our project. 3. You can't do a draft tournament with this app as it exists currently. You can with our project. I can easily see the two co-existing, but if it were a question of whose would triumph, honestly, I think it'd be ours: or at least, I think it'd be ours until they realized "Oh shit! UPN's doing it better!" and they then plagiarized all of our movesets and levels and copied them over to their site.
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03-17-2012, 08:15 PM | #8 |
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I guess you can count me in.
The one thing I'm not keen on is using NFE mon. I love using NU Pokes like Dunsparce as much as the next guy, but if you pit me with Bulbasaur or Shelgon or any lackluster Pokémon that's completely outclassed by one its evolutionary relatives I just won't enjoy myself (reference: challenge cup).
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03-18-2012, 11:50 AM | #10 |
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>Talon
Ah, you are right on all accounts here. And like I said before, I'd be happy to provide movesets if you would like assistance. >Emp Not all NFEs are bad. Dusclops, Chansey, Rattata, Aron, and Nosepass come to mind immediately. |
03-18-2012, 01:53 PM | #11 |
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Sign me up~ I liked the Smeargle one better but only three people signed up so. Maybe another time.
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03-18-2012, 02:44 PM | #12 |
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I think there may be some confusion due to the dissimilar use of the word "league" in the two thread titles. In November, I created a tournament called the UPN Champion League. This was inspired by a conversation with old-time UPNer AK2 about the Pokémon anime, which has made references in Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova to a Champion League in which the regional champions compete, presumably for the title of Pokémon Master. That thread I made in November was a tournament thread and it outlined rules, teams, etc that were themed around the Champion League. This week, I've unveiled to you the UPN Challenge Cup League. This isn't a thread for any one specific tournament. This is a general-purpose thread for UPN's Challenge Cup League, an actual league we're wanting to create. There's no sign-up involved. The program is still in beta testing. There is no tournament, pending or otherwise, for CC, Battle Factory, or draft yet.
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03-18-2012, 03:28 PM | #13 | |
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...Actually that doesn't sound too bad. We could make it a ranking system rather than a static league.
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03-18-2012, 03:36 PM | #14 |
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Yeah, a ranking system sounds pretty good actually. Though there is one thing: Would it be just based on just wins and losses like most professional sports leagues, or would who you beat come into play as well?
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03-18-2012, 03:46 PM | #15 |
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We could weight the scores based on the rank of your opponent.
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03-18-2012, 04:20 PM | #16 |
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You guys are getting a little carried away. ^_^;
First of all, Shuckle, this is very probably not going to be a hierarchical league with an Elite Four, Gym Leaders, etc. phoopes' comparison with an athletic league is closer to the mark. If you want to draw comparisons with the Pokemon universe, think of everyone in this league as a Pokémon trainer. Second of all, Challenge Cup is not a hyper-competitive format. Most people who enjoy CC, both here at home and abroad, are very casual. Rivalries may be born, sure. And if/when we end up doing a leaderboard, people will vie for the top spot on it, for sure. But in the end, this is a casual league. This is not a platform for anyone to boast, "har har, I'm the best Pokeyman gamer on UPN. " Third of all, while a leaderboard does sound nice and league-y, we're in no position to worry about implementing such a thing right now. In fact I would politely ask you to put that out of your mind completely for the next 1-2 months minimum. No one's getting ranked anything right now. What do you think "beta testing" means? It means that this project is still in its infancy. We're still working out kinks, testing things out, and trying to make it so that no one person can win just by virtue of luckily pulling that one Pokémon. Until all the kinks have been worked out, there's absolutely zero merit in ranking people. Fourth, I'd like to repeat that while rankings are fun, that's really not why you should be here. You should be here to have fun. If CC isn't fun for you, that's fine: not everything can be for everybody. If the only reason you have to join this league is to try and be the best, beat others at their own game, etc, then you've joined the wrong club. To draw a comparison with Magic: the Gathering, I don't envision this league as being akin to Friday Night Magic, let alone Grand Prix, let alone the Pro Tour. I envision this league as being akin to four best friends getting together on a Friday night and busting out their decks for some casual play. You should be cracking up with laughter when you get a Persian with a Rocky Helmet. You should be pumped to try and win with a Choice Banded Weedle. You should find it as amazing as you find it naturally frustrating when after three Dragon Dances your opponent sends out a Sturdy Pokemon who knows Explosion and is holding a Normal Gem. You shouldn't be here for the points: you should be here for the game.
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03-18-2012, 04:55 PM | #17 |
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Courtesy of Kuno's courteous friend, you can now access the files quite easily via the following link: http://talon87.upnetwork.net/ccleague/
First post has been updated with this link. I may put an HTML file in there to make it look purtier, but for now this actually does the job perfectly: you can see all the files and you can even see when they were last updated. That way you know what you need to redownload if at all! I will definitely put an HTML file there for the league if:
The current creature count is 122. Firewater PM'd me a bunch of creatures. I've input roughly two-thirds of them so far. I still have some more of them to get to.
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...what, you expected some kind of outburst? Au contraire, mon ami, I am all for casual play. I'm just trying to understand and reconcile the word "League" with what the project is all about. You'll notice that the situations are getting less and less competitive, I hope, as I figure out what's going on. Short of downloading the files in the link (which isn't working for whatever reason and I can't become motivated enough to try and fix it) or viewing the things in the newest link (which I don't fully understand), how can I find out what Pokemon have already been created? I do use several NU, RU, and UU 'mon that have worked out fine, most notably Shedinja and Venomoth.
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The files are up. You just click here and then right-click on each of the files and say "Save file as." Or you can left-click on them, load them up in your browser, and then click on your browser's File --> Save Page As menu option and voila: there you go. Click here for very simple instructions on how to save the files to your computer. Click here for instructions on where you need to store the files once you have them. Click here for an explanation about what each of the boxes represent. Knowing what's been made: Here. RIGHT HERE. If I were a nastier type, ... well, just be glad I'm not. -_-; If instead of a list of names you wanted the full roster with all the details (moves, natures, abilities, etc), I'll politely grit my teeth and say that you need to learn how to get those box files to work. I'm not about to list out the full roster w/ details tonight for you.
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deeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp
this is why i should not have posted i'm sorry i keep digging and digging and the hole just gets deeper
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03-19-2012, 01:38 PM | #21 |
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OK, time to make my return to UPN. And in that note, I'd love to Sign Up for this effort, just for the random, all out Battles so reminiscent of Pokemon Stadium. Or rather, I'll just start contributin' Movesets and Pokemon ASAP. Did I hear anyone say Rain Dance Seaking's back?
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03-19-2012, 02:43 PM | #22 |
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I would like to make a suggestion. Can we have Pokemon with different movesets?
I know Talon likes DD Charizard, but if I like SP Char, then I have to use DD Char? Not advocating every set in the world, but maybe two or three. Totally a Ferrothorn CB set, that kicks surprising ass. |
03-19-2012, 03:28 PM | #23 |
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You can join Shuckle in time out. You clearly did not take the time to read this thread: so why should I take the time to answer your question? I'll treat you with respect if you treat me with respect. I'll give you my time if you give me yours.
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Save your questions for after you've read the thread then.
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