UPNetwork  

Go Back   UPNetwork > General Forums > Debate

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-05-2013, 06:58 PM   #101
Concept
Archbishop of Banterbury
 
Concept's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Nipple-Hunting with Elsie and Kairne
Posts: 7,030
Send a message via Skype™ to Concept
In some senses I suppose. An actual separate political party though. Also not particularly religious. While I would not vote for them (because I think leaving the EU would be a disaster), they do have redeeming features (which is not something I can really say about the tea party). The big difference is that while UKIP are against the things they say they are, the Tea Party are actually a religious fundamentalist group (pretty much like the governments in some of the worst Middle Eastern countries but with Christianity rather than Islam) masquerading as a small government party.

Honestly I am partially glad they're starting to poll non-trivial numbers - if they pick up some seats then they might start to draw that element out of the Conservative party, which would make the Conservatives a much more appealing party to people like me.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTerry
What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the reaper man?

Last edited by Concept; 02-05-2013 at 07:46 PM.
Concept is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 08:16 AM   #102
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
Quote:
Originally Posted by Talon87 View Post
Without meaning to Americanize every overseas discussion, I take it the UKIP are like your guys' equivalent of the Tea Party people we have over here? Incredibly zealous about patriotism, religion, small government, and overwhelmingly favored by white working class men vs. any other ethnic, income, or gender group?

Whatever they are, their party emblem screams "WONKA BAR" to me.
i wouldn't say so. As Concept says, and as I'm sure you know, the party systems are totally different. Where the Tea Party is not a full on party (though you can argue all day about whether it should count), UKIP is. ostensibly their main issue is independence from the EU, but if you pll their voters the majority of them actually list immigration as their pet peeve. There is a wing of the Conservative Party that ticks many of the boxes that you list, however, for example in patriotism and small government. Obviosuly they come at it from a different way than Americans would.

UKIP's polling figures are fairly interesting, actually, I'd be interested to see when they get their first MP.


On gay marriage, I was sitting in the chamber for a while as they were debating it. Most interesting. I was in one of the Westminster bars as the results came in; whole place went silent, then applauded. I was then in another of the bars later on, and there a fairly large amount of openly gay MPs and aides having a celebration. Lovely day.

I mean, this reading was in no danger of failing. It's the second reading and there's plenty of stages to go through yet. i would argue that this vote means little. However, it's fairly likely to pass eventually, so I'm fairly happy.
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 07:33 PM   #103
deoxys
Fog Badge
 
deoxys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,513
Sorry to interrupt, not sure where else to share this - thought perhaps this thread might do since it's primarily "non-US" politics (even though I know the main subject is that of the UK)...

Anyway, a candidate running for the Presidency of Iran is doing an AMA on reddit, and it is one of the most interesting AMAs I've seen. It's a very good read - you can check it out here.
deoxys is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 11:27 AM   #104
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
EU budget: MEPs have surprised absolutely no-one and rejected it.

Good? Bad? Should the EU budget be increased, decreased, frozen (all in real terms)?
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 09:23 AM   #105
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
Quote:
Originally Posted by deh74 View Post
So, NHS is getting privatized, you brits must be freaking out right?
Well, firstly, no it isn't.

I mean it sort of is, via the back door, but it isn't really being privatised much more than it already is privatised in part. This isn't my area of expertise, though.

But yes, people are freaking out. I work in an MP's office and we get so much on this.
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 11:19 AM   #106
KratosAurion
Soul Badge
 
KratosAurion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Comet Observatory.
Posts: 1,063
Send a message via Skype™ to KratosAurion
First of all, I must say that I find this thread extremely enlightening and it has cleared many major doubts I had about certain aspects of Britain's political system. This may well aid me in implementing several aspects that could improve Panama's system should I seek to actively participate in my nation's politics.

Now then, as far as my current inquiries go, I'd like to know the actual role of the Commonwealth and it's member states; how far does it go as an actual alliance of states? Secondly, how much power or influence does the British government hold over territories such as Canada and Australia? Or is it negligible to this day and both are now self-governing entities?
__________________
[竜]

// PASBL // Wild Future //
KratosAurion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 11:33 AM   #107
Concept
Archbishop of Banterbury
 
Concept's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Nipple-Hunting with Elsie and Kairne
Posts: 7,030
Send a message via Skype™ to Concept
Canada, Australia et al are entirely independent states and have been for a long time. The British government has no more power over them as former parts of the British Empire than it does over the US. Nor do we have any special place/power in the Commonwealth, although it is mostly (but not exclusively) made up of countries that were at one point part of the British Empire.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTerry
What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the reaper man?
Concept is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 12:06 PM   #108
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
I would add that we have perhaps some soft influence over weaker members, but not a great deal.

Glad the thread is of use!
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 04:02 PM   #109
deh74
Noted homosexual
 
deh74's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Praising the sun
Posts: 1,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercutio View Post
Well, firstly, no it isn't.

I mean it sort of is, via the back door, but it isn't really being privatised much more than it already is privatised in part. This isn't my area of expertise, though.

But yes, people are freaking out. I work in an MP's office and we get so much on this.
Ok then. The independent and the guardian must both be playing the same April fools joke.
__________________




PASBL
The Whistling Sound of Impending Doom.

deh74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 04:10 PM   #110
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
Haha. I must have missed that one. But no, if that were really happening there would be a general strike. Which would be fun.

Said no-one ever.
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 04:10 PM   #111
DaveTheFishGuy
Primordial Fishbeast
 
DaveTheFishGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 12,258
Send a message via Skype™ to DaveTheFishGuy
Papers in hyperbole shocker.

Also Kush are you going to have to go campaign in South Shields or is that too Labour-tastic to bother?
DaveTheFishGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 04:13 PM   #112
deh74
Noted homosexual
 
deh74's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Praising the sun
Posts: 1,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercutio View Post
Well, firstly, no it isn't.

I mean it sort of is, via the back door, but it isn't really being privatised much more than it already is privatised in part. This isn't my area of expertise, though.

But yes, people are freaking out. I work in an MP's office and we get so much on this.
Ok then. The independent and the guardian must both be playing the same April fools joke.
__________________




PASBL
The Whistling Sound of Impending Doom.

deh74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 04:16 PM   #113
DaveTheFishGuy
Primordial Fishbeast
 
DaveTheFishGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 12,258
Send a message via Skype™ to DaveTheFishGuy
You already said that.
DaveTheFishGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 04:18 PM   #114
Tyranidos
beebooboobopbooboobop
 
Tyranidos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Krusty Krab
Posts: 3,800
Send a message via AIM to Tyranidos Send a message via MSN to Tyranidos
Tyranitar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercutio View Post
Well, firstly, no it isn't.

I mean it sort of is, via the back door, but it isn't really being privatised much more than it already is privatised in part. This isn't my area of expertise, though.

But yes, people are freaking out. I work in an MP's office and we get so much on this.
Ok then. The independent and the guardian must both be playing the same April fools joke.
__________________
Tyranidos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 04:24 PM   #115
DaveTheFishGuy
Primordial Fishbeast
 
DaveTheFishGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 12,258
Send a message via Skype™ to DaveTheFishGuy
Hey! Who turned out the lights?

Hey! Who turned out the lights?

Hey! Who turned out the lights?

DaveTheFishGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 04:30 PM   #116
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveTheFishGuy View Post
Papers in hyperbole shocker.

Also Kush are you going to have to go campaign in South Shields or is that too Labour-tastic to bother?
Well, a date for the by-election hasn't been set yet, so the real push for volunteers hasn't happened. I don't really like campaigning culture, but I'm quite good at it apparently so, if our office decides to send people over then I imagine I'll go for a weekend. But it depends. If the election is in May, all of my essay are due, so I won't go. If it's after that, I'll consider it (but my internship will be over so I won't have to go (unless I get another Lib Dem internship)).

I don't know the area that well but I'm pretty sure that Labour has a majority past 10k and has a huge number of the wards sealed up. It sure as hell isn't anywhere Labour will lose, put it like that, and I would hav thoughtthat Miliband had a very good local team behind him. I think that UKIP will throw a lot at it, though. Sufficed to say that my poncy southern accent will not win the Lib Dems any votes.
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 04:40 PM   #117
DaveTheFishGuy
Primordial Fishbeast
 
DaveTheFishGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 12,258
Send a message via Skype™ to DaveTheFishGuy
In fairness, your voice is far more tolerable than that of Ed Milliband.
DaveTheFishGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 04:42 PM   #118
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
Well yes but I didn't have to have surgery on my voice over the summer. Fortunately, I don't want to be a politician.

I actually have a fair amount of time for Ed, as far as Labour politicos go. David too, though he's a fairly massive hypocrite.
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 03:25 AM   #119
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
BBC Class calculator. It's a bit silly, but quite fun.

I'm an emergent service worker apparently.
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 04:15 AM   #120
DaveTheFishGuy
Primordial Fishbeast
 
DaveTheFishGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 12,258
Send a message via Skype™ to DaveTheFishGuy
Snap!
DaveTheFishGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 06:54 AM   #121
Concept
Archbishop of Banterbury
 
Concept's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Nipple-Hunting with Elsie and Kairne
Posts: 7,030
Send a message via Skype™ to Concept
Also known as "student".
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTerry
What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the reaper man?
Concept is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 08:33 AM   #122
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
Yes. I posted this on a politics based forum (filled with students) and we mostly came out as that.
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2013, 08:40 AM   #123
Talon87
時の彼方へ
 
Talon87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 20,578
Same.

Quote:
Result: the class group you most closely match is:
Emergent service workers

This class group is financially insecure, scoring low for savings and house value, but high for social and cultural factors. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Are young
Enjoy a cultured social life
Rent their home - almost 90%
Talon87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 07:29 AM   #124
Concept
Archbishop of Banterbury
 
Concept's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Nipple-Hunting with Elsie and Kairne
Posts: 7,030
Send a message via Skype™ to Concept
Margaret Thatcher dies aged 87.

Thoughts with her family.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTerry
What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the reaper man?
Concept is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 08:00 PM   #125
DragonDance
Soul Badge
 
DragonDance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Wings country
Posts: 1,287
Send a message via MSN to DragonDance
How come the article alternates calling her "Barroness" and "Lady" and never calls her "Margaret?"
__________________
Retired


Level 4: 38-14-7, 76 KO's, 212 TP, 0 SP, B- ref
DragonDance is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   UPNetwork > General Forums > Debate


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:24 AM.


Design By: Miner Skinz.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.