06-24-2014, 07:04 PM | #2476 | |
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Also Serperior would greatly appreciate having it's offenses and defenses switched. 95/95/113 offenses isn't bad, and neither is 75/75/75 bulk (75/75/75 is actually better than quite a few OU sweepers). Serperior could then run offensive sets like Coil, Calm Mind, Swords Dance, or flat out LO All-Out-Attacker. And Serperior doesn't even need Contrary for that. |
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06-24-2014, 07:25 PM | #2477 |
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>UPN eats it Well okay then. I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding going here. Miles, if I'm not mistaken, what you were trying to say boils down to "Deo-D is a major threat to my team", right? Deo-D is a powerful wall who isn't helpless offensively, it's true. It's just that the way you phrased it... Well, you put the hype on pretty thick. It's true that Deo-D can deal decent damage. But, frankly, walls which do nothing but wall are considered utter dead weight in pokemon. When told something they already know, it's standard for humans to assume that the person telling them meant something else- And so, your comment about Deo-D being able to dea damage was taken to mean "Deo-D can set up and sweep teams". Now, to cut to the original matter- Your team taking down Deo-D. I'd suggest slotting Taunt onto one of your team members- It's easy to find a spot for it, since many pokemon learn it and it's a pretty useful move overall. An alternative would be to just muscle straight through it- For example, Aegislash can take him out with Shadow Ball followed by Shadow Sneak. An unconventional option would be to stall him out- If you have a pokemon with reliable recovery, running Toxic or throwing Toxic Spikes onto your team could be the solution. T-Spikes in particular serves well for countering stall (and breaking sashes), potentially being as useful as Taunt. Of course, it's major downside cones in requiring two turns to get the version you'll want against Deo-D. Of course, Team Preview comes to your aid in this example- if the opponent is running a primarily offensive team, a single layer should prove more than sufficient. Since Deo-D primarily runs support moves, Magic Bounce pokemon are also an option. The final option is to target his weaknesses rather than his strengths- pokemon with a high HP stat are less concerned with set-damage attacks, and a surprising amount of sweepers are quite decent in that regard. If he opts for a STAB attack rather than the standard Seismic Toss/Night Shade, Dark-types (such as Bisharp) can easily force him out or smash right through him. Ghosts are immune to Seismic Toss, Normals are immune to Night Shade, although I think the former is more popular than the latter. tl;dr: Taunt is an easy solution which doesn't require switching up your team, but do consider running Aegislash if you find Deo-D to be a truly must-die threat to your team. EDIT: >Writes up post >Goes offline >Comes back >Posts >Issue's been resolved It's like I'm not even relevant! |
06-24-2014, 08:17 PM | #2478 | |
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06-24-2014, 08:28 PM | #2480 |
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ok, could I get one tonight?
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06-24-2014, 08:51 PM | #2483 | |
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If you're running Giga Drain I think there's an item that gets you nore health from draining moves. I think, and I'm wiped, so tell me if I'm loopy.
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06-24-2014, 08:54 PM | #2484 |
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I never was a fan of Coil. Strictly speaking its a good move and it can really do some damage, but NU's physical walls are far better than its special ones. Being walled by Tangela is not good, as its really popular. So its not "its bad on Serperior" its more "the meta is bad for it."
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06-24-2014, 08:56 PM | #2485 |
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That's what Dragon Tail is for! Telling what you don't like to BUZZ OFF :-D
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06-24-2014, 09:00 PM | #2486 |
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Dragon Tail is swish like that. Though it means having to eat an HP Ice on the way through. Let me see how much damage that would do....
4 SpA Tangela Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Serperior: 106-126 (36.4 - 43.2%) -- 97.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery Compared to a +1 Dragon Tail: +1 252 Atk Serperior Dragon Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 30-36 (8.9 - 10.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever ...yikes
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06-24-2014, 09:00 PM | #2487 | |
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Ice, Fire, and Poison tend to be special. Flying and Bug not as usually but even so, I find that Calm Mind + Giga Drain makes Serperior's staying power increase far more than Coil ever does. |
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06-24-2014, 09:08 PM | #2488 |
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The point isn't doing a bunch of damage, its telling Tangela to get out. Unless it sets up ingrain first. Then take your Vladimir snake and run. Then show it Frost Breath Beartic or something of that nature.
Also Coil is more for those who would try Leaf Blade.
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06-24-2014, 09:23 PM | #2489 | |
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>Frost Breath Beartic ...when it gets Swords Dance anyways?
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06-24-2014, 09:38 PM | #2490 |
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I haven't tried Beartic outside WhiteClone Team. Beartic doesn't have Swords Dance there, but Frost Breath and Icicle Crash do become fun. Just run a quick claw so you cam get a move in before lolfocusblastOHKO
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06-24-2014, 09:48 PM | #2491 |
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...Quick Claw is a terrible item...
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06-24-2014, 09:51 PM | #2492 |
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There's nothing but that to give any degree of help to Beartic's Speed, though. Choice locking it is just no. And if you can stop the OHKO by Focus Sash you're likely either in the first turns or you're FACING a scrub like me.
Oh god typo almost got me killed
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06-24-2014, 09:54 PM | #2493 |
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Beartic does get Aqua Jet. You might not have STAB, but it helps.
Beartic being slow is part of the reason its not good. However, you can get a Swift swim variant and use it on rain.
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06-24-2014, 09:56 PM | #2494 |
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Remember that this was a clone of a team that just ckeared Story Mode. Elsa (Beartic) was mistky there to answer Ghetsis' Hydreigon. Then the fact tgat its all hax and stuff (perfects IVs in all stats and max EVs in all six stats as well!) KO'd it and so Mienshao had to take care of it.
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06-24-2014, 10:07 PM | #2495 |
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Is this supposed to convince us of how good it is?
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06-24-2014, 10:30 PM | #2496 |
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No I think he was just pointing out it wasn't meant to be too competitive.
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06-24-2014, 10:58 PM | #2497 |
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http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads...nking.3509494/
Did not know NU Beta was a thing. lol Sceptile. lol who would even use Serperior now. Yeah I'm not surprised its D-rank. Shiftry, Sceptile, Lilligant, Ludicolo all now compete with it. Yikes.
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06-24-2014, 11:27 PM | #2498 |
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>NU Beta
Feraligatr, Lanturn, Granbull This doesn't seem right. Lanturn was a premiere wall in RU last gen, and there really aren't any new threats to it. There's no reason for it to drop in usage. Sheer Force Feraligatr is nothing to scoff at. It was one of the most fearsome sweepers last gen. Again, I don't see any new threats coming in to knock it down. Granbull, if anything, is now immensely better than it was last gen. How could it not be in at least RU? EDIT: Okay I found this thread that has conflicting info regarding Sceptile. Last edited by Red Panda; 06-24-2014 at 11:53 PM. |
06-24-2014, 11:30 PM | #2499 |
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>Lanturn
Pretty sure RU got a whole bunch of retardedly good wallbreakers. >Gatr Sheer Force doesn't exist, but yeah its pretty nuts. >Sceptile Once its mega is released it will be OU, like Zard. >Granbull Still slow af
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