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Old 06-21-2023, 09:00 PM   #1
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Men behind the curtain

I watch a lot of YouTube and I've been following certain channels for years despite never commenting or subscribing.

A lot of those videos are "nerd culture" stuff, like Disney, Warner, animation channels. For years many of these channels tiptoed around what we now understand as "woke", usually framing movies or remakes for poor writing, special effects, acting, etc.

With enough emotional intelligence, one could tell that such folks were conservative-leaning, using film as a proxy for cultural criticism, but they were careful enough to always stick to that proxy and not overplay their hand.

But lately, I have started to notice word choice changes that belie open contempt:

-(intentionally) misgender Ezra Miller
-"pussified" leads
-"soyboys"

Usually in reference to The Flash movie.

Now, keep in mind, Ezra Miller is a horrible person, and a criminal, so there was no need to use language like this...but multiple channels did so. Which has me thinking they feel we're on the cusp of a major cultural pushback, so they are given free reign to play their true cards.

By the same token, I commented for the first time on a yacine ygo's video and his next video was a tirade about commenters.

Like wtf?

I also watched some redpill channels lately, because for some reason those got recommended to me, and in them men brag about "getting their junk polished by 21-year olds" yet criticize single, lonely, mid-30's something women as ego driven harlots.

I know that a lot of people are secretly rotten, but it's not like I'm ignorant, willful or otherwise, about this, and aside from the redpillers I've followed these channels for years.

True personalities are suddenly coming to the surface, right now!

Why?
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Old 06-22-2023, 12:08 AM   #2
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It's I imagine primarily because the Republican party has been rapidly radicalizing and making trans people their key issue this election season, it's caused a fair amount of bigotry that was already in the air to come out. But I also think it's starting to become well-known that right-wing audiences tend to be fanatical in both their willingness to back creators and completely dismiss criticism of them, so I imagine for a number of people who have been trying to tow the line they might have just decided to take the plunge and pander knowing that they'll lose some viewership in the short term.

(It might also not be a bad idea to take a moment and look back and see if there were perhaps red flags that were missed. It can be very easy even when we aren't trying to squash any dissonance we see when we watch a creator we like.)
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Old 06-22-2023, 05:07 AM   #3
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I don't think I missed any red flags. One could tell "The Fandom Menace" was conservative-leaning from their choice of media targets, but they were always careful to never alienate a general audience in the same way a Ben Shapiro would.

What's surprising isn't that the right-wing movie junkies were right-wing, but that different, diverse content creators are so embolden all at once and became fully tranparent. Or for whatever reason they stopped caring about coding their language and are just frank. Maybe YouTube has stopped censoring certain content, like flat earters?

There might be some disillusionment as well. Blair Zon (iilluminaughtii) and Lindsay Ellis cultivated a liberal audience and got themselves embroiled in scandals, which revealed them to be petty and bigoted in their own way. As someone who also enjoyed such channels, learning that the creators were scum with heavily manicured personas to cater to a radical audience was not what I wanted to hear.

On the movie side, LucasFilm and Disney are progressively more and more blunt about misandry amid commercial failures, and I wonder if that's blood in the water for these channels. It certainly feels like "woke" is everywhere now despite it supposedly not being commercially viable.
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Old 06-25-2023, 11:56 PM   #4
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We currently live in a culture that immediately labels people as ally or enemy based off a single statement and cancel them for it.

The fact that you cite Lindsay Ellis as some kind of bigot is telling that you barely looked into the whole situation and decided to jump on the bandwagon to just write her off as a horrible person. She made a twitter comment about how Raya and the Last Dragon was similar to Avatar the Last Airbender and the mob attacked her, accusing her of racism. Many other critics made the same comment (Honest Trailers) and the two films share a great deal of similarities, but because Lindsay Ellis is a white woman critiquing a film representing SEA culture, she needs to be cancelled. The two films are almost beat for beat the same. The same world building, the same story structure, the same tropes, the same everything. South East Asians even came out to defend Ellis, they were just drowned out by the torrent of filth that is Twitter.

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No one can critique anything anymore. If you label a bad movie with a female lead as bad, you're a misogynist. If you say a film made by white people that vaguely borrows art style from a culture is not good, you're a racist. If you say you don't want a film with strong political leanings, you're the enemy.

Guess I'm cancelled now.
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Old 06-26-2023, 12:29 AM   #5
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We currently live in a culture that immediately labels people as ally or enemy based off a single statement and cancel them for it.

The fact that you cite Lindsay Ellis as some kind of bigot is telling that you barely looked into the whole situation and decided to jump on the bandwagon to just write her off as a horrible person. She made a twitter comment about how Raya and the Last Dragon was similar to Avatar the Last Airbender and the mob attacked her, accusing her of racism. Many other critics made the same comment (Honest Trailers) and the two films share a great deal of similarities, but because Lindsay Ellis is a white woman critiquing a film representing SEA culture, she needs to be cancelled. The two films are almost beat for beat the same. The same world building, the same story structure, the same tropes, the same everything. South East Asians even came out to defend Ellis, they were just drowned out by the torrent of filth that is Twitter.
I am more familiar with the drama than you give me credit.

"Bigot" might not be the right word for her in paticular, so maybe hypocritically opinionated? She is dismissive of the Disney sequels but handwaives most criticism of 50 Shades of Gray and Twilight on the grounds that because she wrote slash fiction in her youth, and it was part of her formation, she can't criticize it too harshly. "guilty pleasure" I think was the words she used.

Her attitude towards trash romance fanfics is the same that someone might have towards a Trump-voting parent. Their views might be diametrically opposed to one's own, but because of who they are and what they did, they get a pass.

That's fine and good for how someone personally feels but as part of her manicured internet personality, it seemed oddly contradictory. Red Letter Media can get away with contradictions because the content isn't marinated in ideology.

Ellis was, specifically, intersectional critique of pop culture.

As for Ellis getting cancelled herself, it was her own fans that did it, because she cultivated a bigoted audience that have no loyalty to her as a content creator, but to the blue Kool-Aid she was serving.

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No one can critique anything anymore. If you label a bad movie with a female lead as bad, you're a misogynist. If you say a film made by white people that vaguely borrows art style from a culture is not good, you're a racist. If you say you don't want a film with strong political leanings, you're the enemy.

Guess I'm cancelled now.
I'm going to watch this...but I want to start by saying Disney has commodified culture since the very beginning with Snow White. They're the Jurassic Park of marketing somethng they shouldn't, but for a long time people didn't care!

Why is the world so hateful and full of resentment now?
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Old 06-26-2023, 03:18 AM   #6
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I do genuinely think that coming in blazing with a screed on cancel culture is generally the kind of thing I would personally find, ironic.

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Why is the world so hateful and full of resentment now?
I wouldn't say the world has really changed all that much in this regard, but the advent of things like social media has made it way easier for us to hear the opinions of 8000 different people at once, something which I genuinely do not think the human brain was built for. It's part of why I heavily curate my Tumblr experience be largely the fandoms I'm in and my Twitter experience to be largely porn.

There's also the fact that it's been pretty easily shown that social media websites love negativity and the engagement it brings, and to a certain extent its trained a lot of its users into chasing that negativity too. Twitter is notorious for this, Youtube has an algorithm that shunts you over to Ben Shapiro and PragerU, and Tiktok has an algorithm so horrifically tuned you can find the really awful and heinous anti-semitic conspiracy theories within a few hours of mindless scrolling.

But there's still a lot of good happening in the world despite all of this. Ultimately we're not anymore hateful than people in the past were, I think, we're just chasing negativity and anger and being exposed to infinitely more morons.
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