10-05-2011, 08:08 PM | #26 | |
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Whoa, Talon. Cool your engines. ^^; I haven't even started episode 03 yet.
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I'm less surprised that you haven't heard of him than I am with Talon.
Titor was posting around 2000/2001, literally when all of we crotcheties were fascinated with internet magic. But he was posting on several obscure forums that became more popular only after people read about him. I didn't hear about him until 2005, when Wikipedia started rising to prominence and his story stepped out of science fiction circles and into public awareness. This is why I think Steins was written with Wikipedia as a guide, it uses survey depth as far as its "science" goes and the logic isn't very thorough. Many of its non-otaku references were Wikipedia popularized. Quote:
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10-05-2011, 10:38 PM | #28 |
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That's pretty crazy. Some of the comments are so baseless (like the facial hair one ), and others are just plain wacko ("one of the best male leads of our time", WTH!? ). I don't dislike the character (yet?), but that's some ridiculous praise for such a 2-dimensional, uninspiring caricature.
Question: who penned the script for the game? I'm curious to know how large of (or preferably how little of) a role Urobuchi Gen had in this.
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Anyway, I'm caught up to episode 07. (Don't tell me you've been watching more in the meantime, Talon. x.X) My theory guesses atm are as good as yours, Talon. Aside from posing the same questions, there's not much information yet to draw conclusions from. Although... Spoiler: show Of course, more likely I'm on the wrong track and should stick with the more obvious/what we know. Will ponder more and get back to you if I come up with anything, though it's doubtful seeing as I'm really reluctant to debate time travel in the first place.
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10-05-2011, 11:05 PM | #30 |
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Um, Gen had no part in this. Steins isn't really Nitro+, Nitro+ just published it and the association is being used as brand-name promotion. The guy who wrote the story is Naotaka Hayashi, an animator who joined 5pb. as a writer. He was also the mastermind behind Chaos;Head.
Unlike TYPE-MOON, Nitro+ was willing to expand and hire other people for its works, so it's less strongly associated with Urobuchi as TM is with Nasu, or age with Kouki. I feel I've ranted about 5pb. in the past (how they're trying to be Apple.jp) but it's easier to attack Nitro+ for the same name-brand recognition and because they're legitimately involved. At least C;H had guro, something Nitro+ loves and BBB hates. There's no guro or loli in Steins.
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10-05-2011, 11:58 PM | #32 |
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The episodes you're going through right now epitomize how stupid Kyouma is, but I'll hold back on pointing it out for just a bit longer. There's one episode where it should be obvious the writer is pushing suspension of disbelief on how inane characters can behave.
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10-06-2011, 03:37 PM | #34 |
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Kyouma was always able to send it remotely, the first mail of "Makise Kurisu was murdered" was sent to Daru's phone when the microwave-phone was activated, since he started it up to cook something (I think).
The logic doesn't unravel until after "the climax". I forgot what episode it was, but it was big, and it was obvious. It was also exciting, but the series is just down-hill from there.
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On 14. Good call on one of your theories, Talon. Spoiler: show
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10-06-2011, 04:03 PM | #36 |
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Jesus, now you're the one who's run away. XD (Don't worry, keep going. Who knows: I may catch up again or surpass you if you slow down, so don't worry, just go at the pace you're going. ) I'm still only thru Episode 08. Guess I'd better go and watch 09 and 10 just so I can read your last post, never mind this one! XD
I gotta give the show credit though. If Yuki watched Episodes 03-14 in under 24 hours, it means she watched an average of one episode of Steins;Gate per every two hours, or that she spent 25% of her day yesterday+today watching Steins Gate. That says something for the show's addictiveness. So as scathing as Doppel's review was, I really gotta wonder if that's how I'm going to see things in the end. Doppel: CHAOTICIAN, chaotician. Talon: God dammit. :mad: Doppel: Mcsweeney: You'll have to get used to Dr.
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About spoilers:
Look, guys. I think I've said this before. You need to clearly label ambiguous spoiler tags so as to make them not ambiguous. I'll say things like "Episode 05 Spoilers" or "Don't click if you don't know who Archer's Master is!", etc. You guys never do this. Which means I'm constantly laying out the red carpet for you but you never return the favor. Doppel, you were talking to me just now in that post when out of nowhere you whip out a spoiler tag for what looks like could be a huge spoiler. I have no idea what's inside it without clicking on it. I can only assume (if I play it safe) that it's a bomb. I can only assume (if I play it recklessly) that it's meant for my eyes since you were just talking to me before you wrote it. But without any indication which of the two it is, I'm going to assume it's a bomb, I'm going to avoid clicking on it, and it's not going to get read or replied to by me. I'm not saying you guys should all become my doppelgangers or something , but please: let's adopt some basic appreciation for how spoiler tags are intended to work. Please label ambiguous spoiler tags. (An example of an unambiguous spoiler tag would be the very last one in the post above, or the one which immediately follows this paragraph. ) About Steins: Just finished Episode 09. Wow. The shit really hit the fan! Spoiler: show On to Episode 10!
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10-06-2011, 04:59 PM | #41 |
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I don't remember the episode correspondence, so it's tough for me to talk about plot details without outright pointing out the details. That spoiler should be OK from where you are in the story.
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So speaking of that , Episode 10 discussion below. Spoiler: show On to Episode 11? I dunno, I have to get dinner and I have a report to prepare tonight for a presentation tomorrow. But we'll see. Gotta catch up to Yuki somehow, though I very much doubt it'll happen tonight. If she watches even one more episode (and she surely will ), there's pretty much no chance for me to catch up today.
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10-06-2011, 05:52 PM | #43 |
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No, he's that retarded.
Talon, think about the name "Barrel Titor" for a moment. To a Japanese audience, this is probably a foreign name. They wouldn't know any better since we also have people named "Hunter Pence". But to we, an English audience, such a name seems pretty improper, no?
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10-06-2011, 05:58 PM | #44 |
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Well, yeah. I guess what you're intimating is that it sounds made up. Which means ...
(episode 10 discussion) Spoiler: show Didn't give the name much thought, honestly. I mean, I just finished the episode and she dropped it right at the end when I was already kinda fidgeting to post. Well that's disappointing. Seems like bad writing, as I have a hard time accepting that anyone is that stupid and yet still as high-functioning as Okabe is.
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10-06-2011, 06:07 PM | #45 |
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I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. While it's glaringly obvious many of the cast outside of the "principle" ones consisting of Daru, Kyouma, Makise Kurisu and Mayuri are suspicious, they haven't said anything that suggests they are liars.
Moeka (cute name, "moe + ka" = "is she moe?", Steins' author likes wordplay and hidden meaning just as much as the rest) for example didn't give a reason to Kyouma about wanting to see the IBN 5100. She could have come up with something, anything, but her simply saying nothing is majorly suspicious. She wouldn't outright lie to him, and I doubt anyone else in the story would do so, too. Think about other stories involving "time travel" (Remember11, Ever17, 999) and about the relationships of the cast. What kind of stunts do they like to pull, based on a common assumption people have walking into the story?
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All I have left to say is consider the nick-names:
Shiina Mayuri → Mayushii Okabe Rintaro → Hououin Kyouma (?) Hashida Itaru → Daru Makise Kurisu → Christina
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Although I think it would've been more fun to watch one episode at a time and discuss in between. When I get in stride I don't want to stop to write down my thoughts/questions and instead just plow through to find out the answers. Hence why I missed my opportunity for bragging rights earlier. ^^; Anyway, if you're still on episode 10, you ain't seen the real shit hit the fan yet. Episode 12 is when the crazy stuff really starts to go down. Dopple, do the name hints require any intimate knowledge of Japanese to understand?
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I'd play around with a Japanese dictionary.
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Spoiler: show Btw, Okabe Rintarou --> Okarin, not Hououin Kyouma. The latter is his self-given alias, the former his nickname given by Mayuri. At the time, I didn't think much of the pattern their nicknames form, but now that you're stressing we look at nicknames, well ... (more speculation on nicknames follows) Spoiler: show Just finished Episode 11. This seems to be putting some pieces of the puzzle into motion. Spoiler: show Yuki says the shit hits the fan next episode? Guess I should hold off on that for now then. We'll see.
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