07-13-2016, 10:17 PM | #251 |
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What Araki did with Joseph is a throwback to 70's, 80's writers. Of course, technically Araki qualifies for this given when he started Jojo, but the generation of writers in the 70's, notably Go Nagai, believed very strongly in the "inherited will" concept. It's still a big Japanese cultural idea, but how it manifests in anime/manga now is different.
Old style writers used to interpret it as, "spirit > body", meaning the legacy/will was more important than the person bearing it. For Go Nagai, that was his Mazinger Z. Mazinger Z was mauled and destroyed by the end of his titular series, and was replaced by Great Mazinger. Even though technically Mazinger Z was still around, Great Mazinger was the reincarnation. He took up Z's title as the world's defender and Z was not a nothing. Finally, in UFO Grendizer Mazinger Z returned as the comically inept sidekick of Grendizer. It was full-on degradation, going from the badase protagonist of your own show to a butt monkey comic relief stooge. But the writers of that era thought "this is how it should be. Children should take over for their parents. Their parents go senile in old age anyway.". Toriyama tried to pull the same stunt with Dragonball but it backfired on him, as the fans got REALLY mad. Araki gets away with it because Jotaro is the most popular Jojo protagonist.
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08-27-2016, 05:53 PM | #253 |
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You hadn't posted an update in a while so I was curious about what was going on. Glad you're excited! I think you will continue to be pleased with Part IV. I didn't appreciate it at first, but it's one of Araki's best.
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08-27-2016, 06:03 PM | #254 |
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I mostly discuss the show with AK2 by phone and then that's it. Not enough time to re-re-re-discuss all the things.
I think Part IV is, so far, the weakest of the four arcs I've seen. That isn't to say it's weak or that it's bad. It's neither. It's just that I think Parts I, II, and III were all generally stronger and/or more entertaining. (Even if I entertain the pissing fight between I and IV, I'd still say that it's easy to defend the position that both II and III trump IV.) That might also contribute to why I haven't posted each week about it. I enjoy watching the program, but JoJo's ever been a 7/10 series for me and so the weakest of the 7/10 bunch, while still eking out that 7/10 score, isn't compelling me to gush here each week. But in retrospect, now that we've hit 22, I think a large part of it may simply have been that Episodes 01 through 21 were all introductory and I hadn't realized it. It hadn't felt like it. Even now, I refuse to simply call them "Act I" of a five-act play. I don't feel like we're at the top of Act 2 right now. Maybe in terms of that age old "introduction, rising action, climax, denouement, resolution" schematic for stories we were taught in school, it is. Maybe if you're going to say "rising action == Act II". But like ... I feel like we're way past the end of Act I here. Act I ended possibly as early as Episode 01 or as late as Episode 04. We've been in sort of a ... if not Act II, then I suppose an "Act I.B" world these past fifteen-odd episodes. Somewhere between establishing Kira's existence and having Kira interact directly with our heroes. Could Part IV end up rising in rank? We'll see. Will Part IV end up proving to be much more satisfying than it has been up until now? Oh, almost assuredly. While I've enjoyed what we've seen so far, it's with Episode 22 that I am finally excited. I told AK2 on the phone, "If you analogize this to chess, then Episodes 01 thru 21 were Araki setting up the chess board for us and then Episode 22 is where he goes, 'Alright, then ...' and makes the first move." Everything up until now has been setting the game pieces in their starting positions on the game board. Now, the game is truly afoot.
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08-27-2016, 06:19 PM | #255 |
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Spoiler: show Talking about this gave me flashbacks to 2006, for some reason. I guess I had some latent memory about talking Part IV with someone ten years ago, since the anime that popped up in my head were Utawarerumono, Higurashi, and memories spending my summer freshman studies in college.
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10-16-2016, 11:12 PM | #256 |
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I absolutely love the newest JoJo opening, "Great Days". Can't wait for the CD to come out in a few days. It's the first truly great opening Part IV has gotten imo, officially joining the ranks of OP1 (Phantom Blood's OP), OP2 (Battle Tendency's), OP3 (Stardust Crusaders' first), and OP4 (Stardust Crusaders' second). I would link you to the video, but it's pretty much impossible to find anywhere right now thanks to copyright claims. Which is unfortunate -- because the visuals are just as good as the song! Together, they create a product which is several times better than either alone. The animation director deserves full marks for his work on that one.
The story has slowed down a little bit, sadly. We revved up with the climax a few months ago ... and then decided to idle for a bit in favor of more Monster of the Week-style episodes. Really not sure why either Araki (source material) or Studio David (adapting studio) chose to do this. Sometimes the episodes can be justified as setting up for something big in the future (e.g. the 1˝-parter with Hazekura), but sometimes they're just completely pointless wastes of time (e.g. the 1˝-parter with the tunnel). I'm a little too emotionally invested in Shinobu, the housewife introduced several episodes ago. Spoiler: show It has gotten to a point to where I've told AK2 that, as stupid of an ending as I acknowledge it would probably be, I kinda sorta guiltily wish for: Spoiler: show
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Talon has probably already read the spoiler but if not:
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I'll help you figure out where we are / what we've seen since I last posted.
Spoiler: show Going back over this list, I'm surprised that so many episodes have aired since the one we discussed last time. Also, I can identify where for me the show has started to I was afraid of that. Man ... first time I post in this thread in nearly two months, and the Doppel Spoils Everything strikes again. Thankfully, what he said doesn't seem like the greatest spoiler in the world. (My ignorance that it's not?) So we'll see.
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I won't say anything either way about how "big" of a spoiler it is (since that in of itself could be considered a spoiler), but I will say that the post's mention of things was vague enough that it hopefully shouldn't have much, if any, impact on your ability to enjoy the scene/event/rest of the series. |
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10-17-2016, 12:42 AM | #261 |
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I was trying to keep things vague-ish as a precaution, figuring that the incident I mentioned is only +/- one or two episodes given what Talon said outside of the spoiler box.
It's been a while though. I can't remember how events piece together exactly, without reviewing anything.
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Why Rohan, you might think. There's nothing particularly special about him. Well, actually there is...he is Hirohiko Araki himself, the Word of God made flesh in his own story. Is it vanity, or parody, when Rohan is portrayed as cool, powerful and awesome? I have no idea.
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You're supposed to review. If you want to be courteous, then the onus rests with you to look up where the show has gotten to. I should never have had to make that list I made, though I did so out of courtesy to you. Everything you wanted to know, you could have found out from Wikipedia or the JoJo wiki.
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10-17-2016, 01:18 AM | #264 |
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Well, I will do that from now on, then. But my philosophy until now was it was more dangerous to review material as I would have comprehensive knowledge, and increasing the likelihood of spoiling something overall even as I'm less likely to spoil something major.
At least, I look back on the Part I spoiler, the one I deeply regret to this day, and blame future knowledge for why I was driven to point it out. Because, if I don't remember very well, true knowledge and idle speculation are blurred into one. Nobody is the wiser until someone points it out. ... Still, I was pretty cautious in this case. I don't think what I said deserves much of a warning, especially given you've already been clued in by Episode 30's title. I can say I think Episode 30 is going to be awesome. Just to clarify for future parts, here's my knowledge level: Spoiler: show
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Yay, it looks like the "spoiler" didn't do much damage.
Mum's the word cause this train doesn't stop once it gets going. Part VI is the same way, once the rodeo begins there's no off the bull.
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Hey Talon, is it possible you don't know about Duwang?
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I do not know any Duwang. Haven't had much to post about with 32 or 33. They have been okay episodes.
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11-16-2016, 09:29 AM | #270 |
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"Duwang" refers to the original Part IV scanslations for Jojo. They came out in the early 2000's and nobody bothered to give a proper translation for the title until nearly a decade later. This was a major reason why Part IV got under exposure compared to the earlier parts, and why it wasn't as well regarded despite being so well written.
It was basically done by a Chinese high school student, translating the Chinese script into English. The Duwang scans had low scan quality, poor translation accuracy and poor English grammar/punctuation. It spawned tons of memes including the most famous: 杜王 pronounced in Chinese is "du wang". I have no idea how someone could mess up this name though, Grade 1 kanjis and all. I mean without the kana I might think it "zuoh" BUT STILL it was pretty egregious. I had forgotten about Duwang, because when I was first interested in Jojo I gave a hard pass on this scanslation. I tried it out of curiosity and dropped it pretty early, sometime in 2006-2007. I didn't give Part IV a chance until better scans came in. ... Also Talon, I watched that old video about the chairs discussing Haganai, and there are references to Jojo in it that probably go over your head in 2012, but you are equipped to understand the in-jokes now!
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11-25-2016, 07:14 AM | #271 |
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Talon mentioned something that seemed strange to me, namely that William A. Zeppeli was voiced by Rikiya Koyama. This is strange because I remember looking up the CVs for the original Jojo and Zeppeli's actor was certainly not Koyama.
Compounding the fact is that Koyama had a prominent role in Jojo already...that of Yoshikage Kira! Like Takahito Koyasu and Dio, Koyama has portrayed Kira in every appearance he's made since the character got a voice in Jojo media. I was under the assumption that Kira continued to be voiced by Koyama into this anime even though since Part III, the original actors for the roles have not been respected consistently. And turns out I was wrong! Oops, Kira's CV is a fellow named Toshiyuki Morikawa - which is a name familiar to me and provides an interesting coincidence with the OPM topic. But it'd disappointing to hear, then, that Koyama currently doesn't have a role in the Jojo anime canon. He's not the anime's version of Zeppeli and he's lost the role of Kira.
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Been enjoying the ending fine. It's the weakest of the four endings IMO, but it is not bad. The finale airs Friday.
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12-20-2016, 08:28 AM | #273 |
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I'm not sure what that entails. "finale" and "ending" are pretty synonymous to me.
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