08-03-2015, 06:04 PM | #1 |
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Kanto Remake
A comment by Sparkbeat in the prediction thread about what comes after ORAS inadvertently launched a discussion about whether a Kanto remake would be a good idea or not and what exactly it is that we would want or not want from such a remake. I don't want to stymie the conversation, and neither do I want it to be lost to the sands of time within a thread that was never really intended to house it. So I figured I'd go ahead and make a stand-alone thread here, to allow for continued discussion and to also make it really easy to find everyone's thoughts on the topic.
Brief list o' posts so far: Sparkbeat mentions it Son_of_Shadows says no thank you Mercutio NO U's Son_of_Shadows Connor sides with S_o_S deoxys sides with Kush and explains what he wants to see in a Kanto remake
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08-03-2015, 06:41 PM | #2 |
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Here's an idea-when it would come time to do a second remake-remake the third version. So if we wanted to re-remake Kanto, remake Yellow. We know GF is capable of having the Pikachu follow you and what have you, and they've had voice acting for it for all of Gen 6 anyway. Of course, the only flaw in remaking Yellow would be having all three normal starters as easily obtained giftmon-because they all have Megas, and so stone distribution is a thing to figure out.
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08-03-2015, 10:09 PM | #4 |
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This basically.
Anyway, I'd rather not see a Kanto remake. For one, Kanto based anything is like inescapable in the franchise. It's getting rather tiring to see Gen I getting special treatment all over the place, from the amount of Megas it has, to the special "nostalgic" nods it got in XY, and so on. I understand it did start the franchise and all, but meh. It's very likely for it to be released on the 20th anniversary of Red and Green either way though. I'd only accept one if it improved even further from what FRLG did. I doubt GF are bold enough to give it the B2W2 treatment, so that's out of the question in my view. The story is a dead end to improve on, basic region design won't be all that different I'd imagine either. Maybe the postgame content could be more than just the Sevii Islands. I think the guaranteed changes are shoehorning Mega Evolution into the plot for whatever reason, Mega Stone hunt throughout the Sevii Islands/mainland Kanto, major trainers like rival getting Mega Evolution, and more Kanto 'Mon's getting Mega Formes. Like Charizard and Mewtwo getting two new ones. Sorry that I'm being so negative here, but this is just how I honestly feel about the possibility of a Kanto remake.
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I was going to make my reply in the XY2/Z thread, but since this is better fit in this thread, I decided to put it here.
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Personally I would like to see out of a Kanto remake a movement in time. If they are just going to re-skin FR/LG, I'm not going to be very interested in it. I'm already not very interested in FR/LG. If I wanted to play a basically re-skinned RBY...I'd just play RBY. I want to see them do something more with a Kanto remake than just that. I want to see them do in a remake with Johto what they did with Kanto in GSC. The two regions are very much connected, so why not let us go to Johto? Show us where the characters in each region have gone in maybe five or ten years. That would be amazing.
Guess what I'm asking for is more of a sequel than a remake but...yeah.
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I have not played FRLG in a while, is it a sequel to GD? I suppose it is with the Deoxys stuff. Ok well fine set it as a sequel to something, give us new characters and maybe some non Kanto Megas to play with.
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08-05-2015, 03:13 PM | #8 |
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I say fuck Kanto forever and let us never visit back the most boring Region.
But aside from Kanto being a terrible Region, I seriously hope we don't get a remake. It's been shoehorned in everywhere already and we don't need to have it again. Can't we have just two Gens without Kanto? Because that would be really refreshing. I might be up for it in Gen VII but right now I'm sick of Kanto, especially after replaying Blue and Yellow recently left a really bad taste. Hopefully it'll be a Remake if it does happen but with Gym Teams switched around a bit. (Eg. Brock has Kabuto/Omanyte/Onix or whatever) I just want it to be fresh, have it be a new experience. Not just a rehash of something I'm personally done with. |
08-05-2015, 07:29 PM | #9 |
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Kanto is only boring in the minds of people such as yourself because it was basic. It laid the ground work for Pokemon as a whole. There is hardly any story narrative and what little there is isn't very good, and every city was essentially the same with very slight variations. The most interesting aspects of Kanto were arguably Safari Zone, S.S. Anne, Lavender Tower, Seafoam Islands, Unknown Dungeon, and Silph Co. Everything else was a rehash of everything else due to limited assets and time, and even those that I just listed weren't particularly interesting. In Gen II, Kanto got even worse due to being smaller and having less overall points of interest.
This is why a lot of people call Kanto boring and are left with a bad taste in their mouth over it because they're sick and tired of it, but let me explain why I don't feel you're not being open minded enough: First imagine Kanto re-done entirely in 3D. The first big notable change would be Mt. Moon. Re-work it into something much more interesting, show the gaping hole in the cave ceiling and interaction with the presumably giant moon stone the Clefairy worship. Imagine Nugget Bridge at a different angle, much larger with Unknown Dungeon/Cerulean Cave in the distance. Imagine getting to Cerulean Cape and seeing Bill's lighthouse and a gorgeous sunrise on the shore in the dawn. How about the S.S. Anne, multiple levels and decks, feeling much more interesting over all and perhaps a new side story added where you are on board as the ship sails out to sea during a terrible storm and Team Rocket attempts to take control of the ship (a la the anime). Again, imagine Saffron City totally revamped from the ground up to be the new "hub city" like Lumiose City, Silph Co. at it's center, a skyscraper looming over the rest. Now if you can imagine all of these things, imagine what they could do with the rest of the region and game. Cinnabar Island would be completely different and much, much bigger. Of course, this is GameFreak, so it's likely a lot of my suggestions would not come to fruition, but regardless, this is why I am totally in favor of a Kanto remake, barring they do some serious work to it and overhaul the region in terms of size, story, and things to do. |
08-05-2015, 08:40 PM | #10 |
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I am against a Kanto remake for this gen.
Yes, there's a lot of new and cool things, and they could definitely make it good, but I think that having a Kanto remake like ORAS would leave a bad taste in people's mouths. If it's gonna happen, let's just wait, I see no reason to rush it. |
08-05-2015, 11:50 PM | #11 |
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08-06-2015, 02:27 AM | #12 |
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My original comment was less "I'd like to see a Kanto remake" and more saying I think one is in the works. My main reason for this was that there's is no Kanto based game (HG/SS don't count) on the DS line of systems. The 3DS's no longer support Gameboy games in any way (to my knowledge). I have a feeling Nintendo would like to keep a main series game in each region on their main handheld device.
Plus they'd be dumb not to take advantage of all the Gen 1 nostalgia that's been building up for the past few years.
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I also realize it's basic because it's the first, but in comparison to newer Regions it's incredibly bland and in general unfun for me to play. Also doesn't help no Gen I Pokémon even ranks on my favourite lists. Furthermore, everything you just said. Could apply to any Region. Sinoh's caves were all ridiculously reminiscent of eachother, Hoenn never looked like an actual jungle, not even in 3D. Kalos and Johto are the only Regions which actually had diverse areas imo, so if they were able to bring Johto to life for HGSS, why couldn't they do so for Kanto as well? Also, while all of your suggestions were mainly graphical (except for the SS Anne thing which seems ridiculous to me, sorry), it doesn't solve what I think are the main problems: shitty story and terrible music. |
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08-06-2015, 05:18 AM | #14 |
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Remake of FRLG? No thanks. "x years after original Kanto" game? Sure. I'd buy it.
Honestly, my gripe with Kanto is that it is indeed too basic. While I do understand that the last time it was properly visited as the main region was Gen 3, Emerald showed that even on the GBA, it had the capabilities to revamp Kanto greatly, at least in terms of post-game content. Sevii Islands hardly did the trick, imo, and there was a disappointing lack of post-game content. I'm somewhat dubious that Gamefreak wouldn't just do the same thing, or have the post-game contents limited. I feel that have a sequel to the original FRLG is pretty fun and probably more interesting than a "Graphic +++ FRLG with a little bit more post-game content". Fun nods here and there are certainly cool, and I think it'll help the team actually completely change the plotline. Seriously, with RBY, GSC, FRLG and HGSS just milking Team Rocket to death with their world domination plot, I think it's due time for a little bit change to Kanto's villain team, or at least, just change the plot/goals and alter the storyline, preferably totally.
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Can we just take over Gamefreak and release the prequel-MMO set 100 years ago where you can travel to all regions and fight in the huge apocalyptic war that we all know has happened?
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But that means combining 6+ games into one and not necessarily earning 6+ times more xd
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I'm all for a Kanto remake. First, it'd be fitting for the 20th anniversary of Pokémon which is coming up. Second, given that FR/LG came out after R/S, this would be a fitting time for another Kanto remake to come out. And I have several ideas for what a Kanto remake could potentially have (warning- long list);
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But anyway. I kinda would like a remake of these games, and I think it will happen, not because some fans want it or anything, but because it'd probably be a huge-ass money-spinner for Nintendo. They'll either remake it or (long shot) they'll release the originals on VC. Probably the former.
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Hoenn and Johto are tied for middle though, they're not as terrible as Kanto or Unova but aren't as good as Kalos or Sinnoh imo Actually no scratch Hoenn is awesome and so is Johto Also yeah remaking Kanto will be a massive cash grab no matter what because lolfirst |
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Meh. I liked Unova objectively because I liked most all of the mons from there, but after playing a game/remake from each gen (FR/LG, HG, OR, DPPt, W+W2, Y), I have to say that the FRLG Kanto was actually a pretty cool area, and one of my top 3 regions, after Sinnoh (because first game and all, plus there was a good bit of exploring to do) and Unova (I just enjoyed the area massively for some reason). Hoenn still ranks worst (I'd rather have my bollocks stapled to a wall), below Kalos (Meh.) and Johto (Nice try, but not really memorable enough).
tl;dr Unova>Sinnoh>Kanto>Johto>Kalos>Hoenn for me, I want a gen 1 remake/rerelease, I want it for next year please.
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Doesn't count, it was the Kanto remake from Gen II, which is incredibly small and not interesting (ie: trash). Also it doesn't count because that was two whole generations before they started implementing REAL 3D as opposed to pseudo-3D. I'm sorry but this is just a poor argument for those reasons alone. Hell, they didn't even start doing "hub cities" until Castellia in Gen V. Quote:
Again, everything you just said here could be completely negated with a total "reboot" of the Kanto we currently know. Bigger, more interesting, more vibrant, all of these things would get rid of the "totally bland" feeling. Honestly, Kanto isn't that bland, it's core issues lie in how small it is (seriously, it's really fucking small), and how we've already played through it for four gens straight. What I am suggesting would essentially be a reboot of the region - same region, but under completely different circumstances. Quote:
I disagree, but maybe that's just personal taste. Johto and Kanto were about as "brought to life" as a remake of GSC would allow. HGSS were great, but I guess I'm missing your point. This to me sounds like you just prefer Gen 6 and Gen 2 over the rest, which I don't disagree with because I feel the same way as well. However I would argue that ORAS did a fantastic job of showing Hoenn in a totally new light. Gen 3 is my least favorite gen, and I found ORAS to be quite a breath of fresh air, the one I needed to enjoy Hoenn again. I think they did a really good job at giving it new life. Quote:
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If it's a total reboot of Kanto then every single discussion point gets thrown out of the window because a reboot of Kanto mwans it isn't Kanto anymore. See the thing is diversity. While in Johto for instance Dark Cave is vastly different from Ice Path and generally each point of interest is different than the previous. In Kalos eveey single Route looks unique (except I guess 14/15/16). The others don't have that. In Kanto every single area looks the exact same, with HGSS making some landmarks, Hoenn has zero sea-based landmarks except for currents, Pacifidlog, Sootopolis, Mossdeep, and occasionally Mirage Island, Sinnoh is samey everywhere that doesn't have a specific theme (though most areas have a theme) and Unova I just don't like. Despite that, Sinnoh and Gen IV are my favourite Region/Gen, because of the story, characters, Pokémon most definitely, and yes, the music. Tbh all of those to me play a much bigger role than the Region. While yes, if a Region is bland it can be trudging to play through, outside some areas you like, if the story is bad or the Pokémon disiinteresting you wouldn't play it. The difference between Kanto and the aforemented Sinnoh, though, is everything I just said. Sinnoh's plot imo is great, while Kanto's doesn't exist. The characters in Sinnoh imo were genuinely interesting while I wasn't invested in Kanto's at all. Gen IV's Pokémon are overall my favourite, while I already explained Gen I's rank really low. And yeah, I did not like Kanto's music. At all. About the only theme I dound mildly interesting was the Gym Leader Battle Theme, and that the Champion theme was better than Gen II's :I But why would I listen to any of Kanto's themes when Kalos and Sinnoh have sountracks I vastly prefer? |
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