03-08-2013, 01:12 PM | #26 |
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It'll only be a debate when people have opposing viewpoints. The only issue here with any potential disagreement (that I see, at least) is what the response should be to a North Korean attack.
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A friend showed me this helpful applet the other day. He's a bit of a nuclear physics buff -- the chemistry, the history, all of it -- and I'm sure he'd be the first to tell you that the effects of radiation from a bomb like the ones dropped on Hiroshima or Nagasaki would be marginal in their geographic scope. As you can see from that site by selecting Hiroshima for the city and Little Boy for the bomb, the radiation radius of the bomb is "only' 0.88 miles. So the area carved out by the circle, let's say, is roughly 1.5 to 2.0 miles wide. That's enough to take out a small city's population, sure, but it's not really going to be doing much as far as neighboring counties or provinces go, much less neighboring nations.
As for radioactive fallout, that depends on the how and where the bomb is detonated. Suffice to say, if the U.S. were the ones doing the detonating, they would probably try to ensure that there was as little fallout as possible: the aim would be physical destruction from the fireball and ensuing shockwave, not biological destruction from radiation poisoning. Quote:
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The other factor to keep in mind is, Hiroshima was a 15-kiloton detonation. Compare this against the recent meteor that struck Russia. Also compare the similar causes of death and destruction in both cases. Perhaps the single greatest cause of death from the Hiroshima bomb wasn't radiation: it was the shockwave toppling houses like matchsticks and turning nearly every manmade structure into shrapnel. People were crushed, cut, and subjected to all sorts of terrible physical trauma. The second greatest cause of death was fire itself: houses which caught fire, killing the people trapped inside; people who died from severe burns to their bodies; etc. "Only" 15-20% of people died from radiation sickness, according to U.S. estimates at the time; and again, returning to the question of fallout, it was reportedly negligible at Hiroshima, implying that similarly executed detonations would also produce negligible fallout. tl;dr I don't think the U.S.'s decision to use or not use nuclear bombs will hinge on concerns of radiation poisoning, let alone radiation poisoning affecting nations literally hundreds of miles away. The other point my friend would make to you is, look at the Korean Peninsula from space at night and tell me how many cities are strategically relevant targets. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with his vociferous answer ^^; ("One "), but his point is quite valid that, underground weapons bunkers aside, it seems pretty clear that the whole of North Korea outside of Pyongyang is still living in the 19th century by American standards.
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/nor...as-abil,31016/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/wor...h-korea,31265/ My friend is an intern at an organization devoted to helping the people in North Korea. That country has as many problems as the CSA and the USSR, I swear to God.
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Hahaha, I was just about to post that.
It appears North Korea has cut their hotline with the South. SK and the USA also began their annual war games today, to which North Korea said they would retaliate. Perhaps they might actually do something. |
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I'm speaking to you as a magnetic cloud formed from ionized vapour. They've made their move, alright.
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I lol'd, TDos.
Is it bad that I kind of want North Korea to launch an attack just to watch them get utterly wrecked in return? |
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The Onion is eating this up. They've enumerated NK's War Preparations.
NK is such a sad country at the moment. I wish I could go there to help out.
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So Japan has stated that they will shoot down any NK missiles, even if they are just tests.
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Good. I'm sick of North Korea's shit. Time to stop dancing around the issue.
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deo you do realize that if this leads to actual war it will barely affect you at all, whereas it will put hundreds of thousands of lives in danger in Asia?
I realize that you're tired of reading news stories about this, but for fuck's sake we should never be encouraging war except as a last resort. |
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Well, kind of. But in that a US counter strike at North Korea will put China in an awkward position, it could directly lead to a whole lot of US servicemen dying down the line.
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It's like World War II except instead of a major power that has focused its efforts on employing its peasantry to make war materials and training up soldiers, there is a tiny and abrasive nation that has paid its current scientists more money than it used to!
That said, I'm surprised Kim Jong Un has survived this long. Usually the USA assassinates dictators it doesn't like pretty quickly. They even tried to bomb Hitler - he was saved by a secretary who picked up the briefcase containing the explosive and moved it across the room.
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My seventh grade history teacher lied to me
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And this is why yanks are all stoopid.
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Interestingly enough, my teacher was German....
...I have just realized the possibility that when she said "We" she did not mean "the US". Huh. Well, she /was/ about 80 at the time.
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