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Old 08-31-2013, 05:33 PM   #1
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Casino Poll

Do you wish to have a Casino in Fizzy Bubbles?

If you choose to say YES, then we will have a casino revamp that the mods will put forth to the community and we will entertain thoughts and ideas about it before officially bringing it back. With the yes option, you will not be receiving large sums or really much of any coinage from adventures and role play.

If you choose to say NO, then we will look at implementing a system that will reward people for roleplay in zones. There will not be a Coin Zone specifically for coins even though that was an interesting idea. Roleplay in shops and free areas will not count toward coins that can be received.

I apologize for taking so long to get this poll up. I have had a very busy end of summer this year. Hopefully, I can really get back to being more active here than I have been in the past month and a half.
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:37 PM   #2
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The information available for me to say "no" is insufficient and not attractive enough to break the status quo over. Without a full deck to play with, I'll be conservative and say YES. If you can elaborate a little on the roleplay system, I might change the answer, but right now I prefer to have the tried-and-tested Casino back over a vague new system.
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:39 PM   #3
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Voting Yes; zone updates aren't consistent enough to win me over.
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:41 PM   #4
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Voted yes. I was only thinking earlier today about how I miss the regularity of the Casino so nice timing Stark!
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:43 PM   #5
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The information available for me to say "no" is insufficient and not attractive enough to break the status quo over. Without a full deck to play with, I'll be conservative and say YES. If you can elaborate a little on the roleplay system, I might change the answer, but right now I prefer to have the tried-and-tested Casino back over a vague new system.

You would gain a certain amount of money for different things. Perhaps you would receive 100 coins for each pokemon you put in your pokedex. Maybe you would get a job doing something that would pay you 1,000 coins. Whatever the method ends up being, it will be a process that leans toward earning coins by performing in game actions that could take a number of posts to achieve depending on how many coins are being earned. It will have nothing to do with number of posts nor word length or quality. It will be completely roleplay based and heavily restricted and enforced.
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:52 PM   #6
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Voting Yes; zone updates aren't consistent enough to win me over.
This is my reasoning as well.
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:53 PM   #7
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Voted yes. I liked how the Casino worked, I'd really like to see it return.
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:55 PM   #8
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I've chose to vote against having a casino.

Right now, this place can't really differentiate from things like GPX+, and is geared less a ROLE PLAYING game so much as a collector's fun den. If I wanted to get a huge team of varied mons, I'd play the regular DS games, not this. I'm here to role play, not to pop a few words of 'Putting x coins on y,' waiting a few days, then collecting my goodies. If it means making less coins than before due to reply-based rewards, I'm willing to make that sacrifice. It'll help build up word processing skills as well as promote activity, something FB sorely needs, and activity is something a glorified RNG can't produce in sufficient quantity.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:03 PM   #9
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Will shops be adjusting their prices to suit the new economy? My vote definitely hinges on that decision. I don't want to vote no on the Casino only to find that we are only earning 1000 coins a month and cfp Pokemon are still 400K.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:36 PM   #10
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I'm abstaining. I know it's not very helpful to do so but I find myself indifferent on the matter. I'm leaning slightly towards No if only to encourage more reason to RP, but I see the downside being that updates are pretty scarce which can be a little off putting to the idea. I'll give it some thought in any case.
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Old 08-31-2013, 07:11 PM   #11
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I don't think the information given is enough to vote either way. We are essentially being told that we vote and then get the plans later. I would like to know BOTH the casino plans and the plans for a casino-less FB before I make a decision.
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Old 08-31-2013, 07:12 PM   #12
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For me, a vote for zones feels like a vote for ideals and a vote for shops feels like a vote for practicalities. Torn between the two ...

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Will shops be adjusting their prices to suit the new economy? My vote definitely hinges on that decision. I don't want to vote no on the Casino only to find that we are only earning 1000 coins a month and cfp Pokemon are still 400K.
... I'll echo Marion's sentiments and request the same information before casting my ballot.
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Old 08-31-2013, 07:16 PM   #13
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Will shops be adjusting their prices to suit the new economy? My vote definitely hinges on that decision. I don't want to vote no on the Casino only to find that we are only earning 1000 coins a month and cfp Pokemon are still 400K.
I thought the mods had no plans of changing CfP prices? I seem to remember being told mutliple times no.
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Old 08-31-2013, 07:26 PM   #14
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I thought the mods had no plans of changing CfP prices? I seem to remember being told mutliple times no.
Even if CfP prices stay put, the other variable is how much the zone awards would be. I can imagine that someone who would vote no to "Well, we figure the average FBer will complete two zone adventures a year, and so we're willing to set the maximum purse at 50,000 coins per completed adventure" might be willing to vote yes to "If we assume the average FBer earns 250,000 coins each year strictly from the Casino alone, then we're going to want that to match with what the average member can expect to see from zones. And since the average member completes one zone adventure each year, we guess that that means zone adventures' purses will be capped at something around 200,000 to 300,000 coins. We're still working on it." Obviously the staff don't want people abusing the zones to farm out tens of millions of coins effortlessly, but at the same time I doubt most members will be inclined to vote away the Casino if a) prices are staying put and b) zones aren't going to come close to matching the Casino's average yearly output.

For the record, all of these numbers are pulled out of thin air. I have no idea as to what the average FBer's actual Casino earnings are (though I do believe it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 250k to 300k coins) nor do I have the foggiest as to how many zone adventures the average member completes yearly.
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:02 PM   #15
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I voted "no" simply because I'm bored of the casino and I think it's a waste of Mod efforts. I've been here for six years and the highlights of my time here will always be my adventures, captures, tournament wins etc. not winning virtual coins in a virtual casino. Coins which are pretty much useless if I'm not going to spend them on TMs/Pokémon that I'm going to RP with.

Arguments like "zone updates aren't consistent enough to win me over" are moot in my opinion because the main goal of this development is to encourage more roleplaying. Are you here to write/roleplay or are you here to post in a thread three times a week with the same boring "Betting X coins on..."? Blaze brought up a really good point that we don't have enough information to vote, and I'd like to see how mods would work out a way of giving members a steady coin supply without the casino.
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:22 PM   #16
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In an ideal world, coin earnings through zones would be just fine. I'm just not keen on the idea that one super active updator pumps out thousands upon thousands of coins for his updatees while other unfortunate individuals are stuck with a single update every 2-4 months and earning nothing in comparison. The Casino served fine to give everyone a fair, stable, and consistent source of coins. Fizzy Bubbles will always be about RP for most, but I think people should be free to play it however they want. I know that I, personally, will continue to RP as much as I can, with or without coins.
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:43 PM   #17
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I haven't voted yet because I don't see enough to convince me that RP is the way to go for coinage, yet I'm not assured that the new Casino won't be giving out less money than it did before. Here's my problems with zones being the new system:

1) Inconsistent updating. This can be broken into two parts:

a) On the player's side of things, we could get stuck with updaters that update every 2-3 months, and say we're only awarded 10000-25000 coins for each reply. That would mean we could get approx. 40,000-100,000 coins each year. Or our updaters are good at giving us updates every 2-3 weeks, in which case--using the same amounts--we end up with approx. 240,000-900,000(!) coins per year. It wouldn't matter how much is actually awarded per reply, there would always be a large discrepancy depending on frequency of updates, and some players will inevitably be updated more than others at some point. Some people may be fine with this idea, but this inequality is a legitimate concern that would likely be brought up by many people that aren't satisfied by how much money they're making compared to others. (which is comparing yourself to others, and it's dumb at its core, but let's not get into that)

b) On the updater side, it could probably use some more incentives, easily done by increasing Updater Rewards than by other methods. If there's a need for me to elaborate on this, I'll do so in a more private setting.

2) Earning coins by RP is proportional to how many adventures someone has. Some people will want to be in multiple adventures at once while others don't want to be in more than one adventure at a time, nor do they wish to be pressured into doing so, especially by the idea that multiple adventures means earning more coins.

3) Many people are still stuck in the Arcane Realm. I don't think much more needs to be said about that, just that if people want to be in multiple adventures to make more money but can't, there's going to be more of a reason for them to pester about such things.
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Old 09-01-2013, 02:15 AM   #18
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Just to help clarify, Casino updates will net a person about 50,000 coins per month on average based on years of numbers. Cfp prices are not going to change unless we decide to go back to the static cfp pokemon which is a very real possibility. In which case you are looking at Fossil, Porygon, Castform, Eevee etc. as the only pokemon that will be available for coins. The rotational pokemon will not be an option. If we go with no casino, it is up to the updater. You might earn more. You might earn less. It all depends on how often you are updated. That is the risk you are taking if you decide to go with no casino.

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Old 09-01-2013, 03:38 AM   #19
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Say the Casino was reinstated, how many times would it be updated a week?; no offense to anyone but I have a life out of here and the thought of having to check back every so often would actually make me not want to play and that just wouldn't be fair.

I understand why the it was updated I think 3 times a week, so people would have more a chance to buy items/pokemon from the cfp thread. But losing coins just because I missed an update is kinda ridiculous; understand everything I said wasn't to be mean or anything but just how I feel.
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Say the Casino was reinstated, how many times would it be updated a week?; no offense to anyone but I have a life out of here and the thought of having to check back every so often would actually make me not want to play and that just wouldn't be fair.

I understand why the it was updated I think 3 times a week, so people would have more a chance to buy items/pokemon from the cfp thread. But losing coins just because I missed an update is kinda ridiculous; understand everything I said wasn't to be mean or anything but just how I feel.

It would be updated about 3 times per week. Tess would update on Monday, Arc on Wednesday and myself on Friday. We would leave a little room there so that we don't update too close together as happened once not too long ago. So if say Arc wasn't able to update until Thursday, I would wait until Saturday to update.

There will of course bee times where it might only get updated twice per week due to RL in our lives, but we will strive to be consistent with 3 times per week which averages out to be 12 times per month.
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Old 09-01-2013, 04:32 AM   #21
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And will I be penalized for not being able to pick it up at a certain time, IE: miss an update.
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Yeah, if you don't collect your prizes before the next update comes around you lose them. If you know that you'll miss an update, you can just not place a bid in when you're claiming your prizes. i.e. if you know you'll miss a Friday update for whatever reason, you can just claim your prizes on Wednesday and not do anything else until Monday.
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Old 09-01-2013, 07:45 AM   #23
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Still,, that's a fairrly severe penalisation. And note that there are at least a few of us here with severe mental, physical, and emotional problems. I had a ratheer severe breakdown fairly recently, as some here are already aware. Should someone really get penalised because they had an episode and literally could not do much more than drink a small bit of water and drag themselves out of bed just to use the restroom only, and then right back in bed? If someone got a decent haul, possibly an item they have been waiting months for, and their computer craps out before they can pick it up? Should someone be further penalised for any of that? And before aanyone says this is just me reaching, in the past fortnight, I have dealt with a major depressive episode, computer issues, and me being the closest to suicidal that I have ever been. And I know I am far from the onee here that gets major depressive episodes.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:06 AM   #24
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Still,, that's a fairrly severe penalisation. And note that there are at least a few of us here with severe mental, physical, and emotional problems. I had a ratheer severe breakdown fairly recently, as some here are already aware. Should someone really get penalised because they had an episode and literally could not do much more than drink a small bit of water and drag themselves out of bed just to use the restroom only, and then right back in bed? If someone got a decent haul, possibly an item they have been waiting months for, and their computer craps out before they can pick it up? Should someone be further penalised for any of that? And before aanyone says this is just me reaching, in the past fortnight, I have dealt with a major depressive episode, computer issues, and me being the closest to suicidal that I have ever been. And I know I am far from the onee here that gets major depressive episodes.
I hate to sound unsympathetic cause you've always been one of my buds here Kairne and I'd hate to hear you're not well but bringing as serious an issue as mental health up in an effort to guilt trip mods into changing a rule is not OK in my book. You should keep this sort of discussion in the Emotional Baggage Claim.

That being said this is a fairly extreme case that doesn't apply generally, so if you missed out on picking up something from the casino for a really good reason I'd contact the mods. I'm indifferent to this rule but I'd just rather we focus on the more important issues in FB than prolonging this any longer with issues as trivial as posting in the casino at the right time.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:27 AM   #25
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I hate to sound unsympathetic cause you've always been one of my buds here Kairne and I'd hate to hear you're not well but bringing as serious an issue as mental health up in an effort to guilt trip mods into changing a rule is not OK in my book. You should keep this sort of discussion in the Emotional Baggage Claim.
Actually, I think Kairne's point is a fair one. To take it out of the realm of mental issues, many of us have lives which involve school, work and other obligations... as a matter of fact, FB is supposed to be what we do in our downtime! It's supposed to be fun! These restrictions make FB more and more like a job, where you have to check in and have to do this or that or you miss out on your "salary". Give me a break. I think FB needs to allow for some flexibility simply because these super-tight restrictions go against the attitude that the real world should come first.
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