12-18-2010, 03:47 AM | #26 | |
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As Christianity has absolutely no mention of the theory of the multiverse as a possible concept in their beliefs in any of their writings (mainly the Bible), I questioned how he linked it to free will, fate, and the Christian religion. He has not explained this, instead going on a tangent about how the Bible is not to teach us about God's workings. I still am wondering how Unownmew has linked Fate, Free Will, and the Multiverse. |
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Although, a universe being powerful enough to penetrate all other universes, could be the universe God resides in. Being able to destroy all other Multiverses and itself however, is getting into theory we will never be able to complely understand until we are infinite beings ourselves. Quote:
God made a Covenent with Abraham, Issac and Jacob (who were not a Hebrew themselves), so he established the Hebrew Religion with Moses to both bless and guide the Children of Jacob and prepare a setting for Jesus to come to Earth and establish the Chuch of God, which is the basis of the Christian Religions. After the death of the Apostles the Chuch of God became corrupt, and there was no longer a "Correct Religion" on Earth, but the advent of the Catholic Church preserved the majority of the Christian beliefs and teachings so we have what we have today. Quote:
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At best it is incomplete and mistranslated in some areas, at worse, it has been deliberately tampered with so the true meanings in some places is changed. Again, the Bible is one nail conneting two peices of wood together. Since it's just one nail, the two peices of wood can be easily manipulated into various configurations. These configurations are much like the various Christian Churches in the world. However, if you were to add another nail to those peices of wood, would they still be so easily manipulated into vartion contortions? Quote:
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In fact I highly doubt God would ever reveal the truth about "How" things work in accordance to creation or why he is God. At least not until after Judgement Day, when we all become Immortal Infinite beings. A multiverse is simply my personal belief and thoughts about the unanswered "hows", and could very well be wrong and maybe something even less understandable is the truth. |
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12-18-2010, 02:07 PM | #28 |
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Okay, please ignore how I questioned Christianity and the multiverse connection.
Please explain how the Multiverse connects Fate and Free Will into one. Because I cannot fathom how you connected them. |
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Doing this, it's entirely possible to know the future, and yet still have ability to choose for yourself. It's a pretty widely accepted opinion that knowing the future does not mean that that future Will actually occur (for that particular universe). But it doesn't mean that it definitely will Not occur either. |
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12-18-2010, 05:10 PM | #30 |
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Muyo is saying that if you were given a choice of A or B but predetermined to choose A, you didn't have a choice. You were destined to choose A. Ultimately fate decided. You acted.
With the addition of the multiverse, there is a difference, but you were ultimately predestined to choose A in Universe A and chosen to choose B in Universe B. This is still fate in that the choice was made by some destiny. So if you were fated to pick something, adding the multiverse doesn't add free will to the acting body. |
12-18-2010, 05:39 PM | #31 |
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Part of the problem, I think, is that unownmew's model predicts an infinitely larger number of universes that would actually come about. Unless we're living in a Gwyneth Paltrow movie, the decisions we make don't spawn infinitely many us'es. Rather, we each have infinitely many choices to make at any given crossroads but we end up choosing one and only one.
The only way that unownmew could still have multiverses (without invoking Gwyneth Paltrow physics) is if the multiverses were all created independently of one another and at some original point in time; and if from there each of the universe's oh-so-slightly unique stories played out. So, for example, in universe 10000000A there was a power outage and Talon decided to grab some blankets but in universe 10000000B there was that same power outage but Talon decided to go start his car and sit in it with the heat on high. That way, there could still be different Talons. But if we paint this model, then we come right back to Loki's criticism: that there isn't really any free will at all (necessarily), or rather that this model does no better job at proving or disproving free will than does the single universe model. Because even if the various universes unfold differently from one another, their puppets inside -- us, human beings made of sinew and bone -- are still subject to the same domino effects we're subject to in all the other universes. We either scratch or don't scratch, stand up or stay seated, go to sleep or stay awake depending upon a host of factors which, like dominoes, cascade to produce a given outcome beyond our control. In other words, the multiverse theory doesn't disprove the possibility that our brains operate purely based on the chemical version of the dominoes falling into one another and that what we think is free will, free thought, etc is actually predetermined by the falling dominoes which have been falling, beyond our control, since the dawn of time. Yes, sometimes a domino might fall one way with 78% likelihood and some other times it might fall a different way with 22% lifelihood. Yes, that may explain why two different universes occur, one where Talon shaves and one where he stays seated and doesn't shave. But in neither universe could we say that free will occurred. We could just say that the universes were different outcomes of the same chain of dominoes cascading.
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