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Old 02-28-2011, 03:23 PM   #1
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Mamoswine Why do so many people hate Gen IV

I have heard a lot of flaming about Gen IV and frankly i dont know why. I mean Gen IV has amazing games and inventive pokemon, it also gave evolutions for pkmon who desperatly needed em (mismagious,murkrow etc) and yet i hear a lot of flaming about it, why?
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:32 PM   #2
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They're usually the same people who really like gen 3.

IE degenerates
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:43 PM   #3
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They're usually the same people who really like gen 3.

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Old 02-28-2011, 03:53 PM   #4
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Dunno. You'll hear a lot of flaming about any generation though. Every one of the five generations has a percent of the fanbase who believe it to be the single worst generation of the lot. There are a lot of reasons to dislike any generation but the funny thing about fans and their diverse opinions is that different fans can cite the exact same reasons for hating different generations.

Like, I can say that Gen 2 was my least favorite generation to date because of reasons like:
  • terrible map
  • lame new creatures, for the most part
  • weak story compared with the other gens

Someone else can look at that list and do two things with it:
  1. tell me I'm wrong on every point when it comes to applying these points to Gen 2
  2. turn around and use those exact same points to explain their dislike of Gen 3

In fact, it happens all the goddamn time. One fan's terrible map is another fan's mediocre map is another fan's awesome map. Same exact thing for the new creatures, changes to the gameplay mechanics, and so on.
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:56 PM   #5
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THERE ARE ONLY 150 POKEMON!
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Old 02-28-2011, 05:44 PM   #6
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Also I actually like Gen 3 and don't mind Gen 4. Gen 4 has some of the most fun games.
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Old 02-28-2011, 06:38 PM   #7
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Gen 4 has its good and bad points. The Pokemon, music and plot was pretty meh for me but wifi battling/trading gave their games far more replay value than anything Gen 3 and below in which I pretty much have to restart as soon as I beat the E4. At the moment though Gen 4 is plagued with being neither nostalgic nor fresh/brand new.
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Old 02-28-2011, 09:06 PM   #8
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Gen 4 was better than Gen 3, but I have nostalgia goggles for the first gen so I can't really make any fair comparisons beyond that.
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Old 02-28-2011, 10:30 PM   #9
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See, I dunno about that, emp. Whether a game's nostalgic or not entirely depends upon how much you found certain aspects of it to be memorable. For me, one of the best things about Gen 4 was the competent, well-meaning, sympathizable villain. He wasn't pointlessly evil like Giovanni nor was he stupidly evil like Team Rocket 2. He wasn't a petty man-child caught within a never-ending dickwaving fight like Archie and Maxie were in Gen 3, either. Here was a guy who had a vaguely hinted at childhood, one which led to him becoming a smart, powerful guy who felt the world as it exists is not good enough -- "We can do better! I can do better ..." -- and he decided to realize his ambitious dreams. The revelation that Cyrus is your archenemy may not have surprised most of us, but I still think of it as a "surprise" moment in the game that is very memorable. I put myself into the (stupid and naive ) hero's shoes. And I imagine the hurt that the hero must have felt when he discovered that this guy he looked up to, this stranger who was always showing up in strange places and helping him out of tough spots, this really nice guy ........... is the one causing all of the stuff he, the hero, is trying to stop. That, to me, was mega-memorable.

I could keep going on about Cyrus , so let's list some other memorable things about Sinnoh ...
  • the Jasmine cameo
    1. for itself
    2. for the fact that it ushered in an era of cameos
  • Bidoof. I hate him, but goddamn if the WORST AND MOST FREQUENTLY-APPEARING COMMON EVER isn't memorable. Running into one in wild grass were I to play DPP again some day would certainly befit the word "nostalgic."
  • Cynthia. Hommina hommina hommina.
  • The earthquake while we're in the library.
  • The Magikarp floundering about when the bomb goes off.
I could go on, but I'm going to cut the list short because I just realized what (for me, at least) isn't memorable about all of the later games: and that's city names. I don't know if it's because I watched the corresponding RBY and GSC anime episodes as a kid and that I didn't watch the ones for RSE and DPP or what, but I know that names like Celadon City and Cerulean City are as much a part of my memory as "What's your SSN?" or "What city were you born in?" and that, by contrast, the city names for many cities in Gens 3 and 4 escape me. Like ... I know Slateport City in RSE. Verdantuff. Mauville. But these were all cities I biked to all the goddamn time while trying to hatch eggs . I remember Pacifidlog Town because it's such a bizarre name and a bizarre "town," but I ... well, no, I remember Mossdeep. Hmm. Maybe it's just Gen 4, then. 'Cause those names I'm mind-blanking on. I remember Solaceon Town ... ... Hearthome (?) City ... ... yeah, I'm not remembering the Gen 4 city names too well at all. And I've played Story Mode twice, too. (Once Pearl, once Diamond, both times all the way through the Heatran subplot post-E4.)

Even worse are Gym Leader names. I know all of the Kanto ones right off the top of my head, no need to pause for thought. The Johto ones, likewise. The Hoenn ones, I have to pause for. Not sure I could get them all ... nah, just did. But the Gen 4 ones I've got to really sit there and think. "Roark's dad's name was ................................. Angus?" hahaha Nah, I know it isn't Angus, but I'm totally mindblanking. Or like the ice gym leader. I can see her with her thin ponytails and her blue-and-white dress, but ... I can't remember her name right now. I'll probably get it eventually, but the fact that I have to sit here like Winnie-the-Pooh and "think, think, think!" tells all, I think.

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Old 03-01-2011, 11:02 AM   #10
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my opinion: Gen 1: nostalgic for many
Gen 2: I've not played it but i thought it was ok from what i saw
Gen 3: Also nostalgic for me(firered,emrald etc)
Gen 4: My first pearl game got some kickass pkmon in it
Gen 5 Epic music and epic designs
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Old 03-02-2011, 01:00 PM   #11
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Maybe it's just me, but I can list the GLs from every gen but 3 from memory. And even with 3, I do pretty good until I get to the E4 (Um... Sidney, Pheobe... Oh, Glacida... Drake and Steven/Wallace). But that likely shows how little of a life I have. >_>
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Old 03-02-2011, 04:36 PM   #12
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Candice, Kin. And Glacia, xfd.

And after reading this thread, I'm going to try quite hard next time around to block out spoilers about anything - I've seen all the designs and typings this gen, would rather go for that uninitiated look at the next series of games.
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Old 03-02-2011, 07:32 PM   #13
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Gen 3: Also nostalgic for me(firered,emrald etc)
Gen 4: My first pearl game got some kickass pkmon in it
Pardon the Harry Potter, but does this mean Hoenn = Generation IV, while FR/LG (remakes of G1) = Generation III?
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Old 03-02-2011, 07:39 PM   #14
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No. Hoenn = Gen 3. FR/LG are remakes of Gen 1.

Sinnoh is Gen 4.
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Old 03-02-2011, 07:46 PM   #15
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Yeah, he keeps bringing up FrLg as part of Gen 3 and I'd never see it that way myself. Sure, they came out during the time that Gen 3 was the current gen, but they're remakes of Gen 1 titles. Thus, they are Gen 1 titles in a sense. If the question is, "When did you start playing?" and you answer "My first game was Fire Red," then I'd say you started playing during Gen 3. But if the question is, "Is FireRed a Gen1 game or a Gen3 game?", I'd feel inclined to say Gen 1. I dunno, it's weird.

Look at it this way: if somebody remade Final Fantasy 7 tomorrow, would you start calling the remake Final Fantasy 15 since the last title that came out was 14? Or would you call it Final Fantasy 7 even though it doesn't visually look identical to the original FF7? I think we both know what everyone'd say and do. I feel the same way about FrLg being Gen 1 (even if they went on sale amidst Gen 3 titles) and HGSS being Gen 2 (even if they went on sale after the last of the Gen 4 titles). This is why it's weird. Obviously someone who starts with Fire Red isn't going to be compared with somebody who started with the original Red. One came out in 1998, the other in 2004. That's six years' difference. But ... it just doesn't feel right to refer to FrLg as "Gen 3." Gen 3 means Hoenn. Period.
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Old 03-02-2011, 08:11 PM   #16
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Technically, it's considered Gen III (by Bulbapedia standards, for example), but it's obviously a remake of a Gen I game, so it fits under that umbrella in a way too.

I mean, it really boils down to semantics, but if you started with FRLG, like Talon said, I'd say you came to the series in the time of Gen III, but if you refer to the progress in the series in general, Gen III = Hoeen.
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Old 03-05-2011, 10:34 AM   #17
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Fr/Lg are either gen I or gen III to diff ppl, i think its gen III but thats just me
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