06-29-2016, 01:32 PM | #627 |
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Probably because they're blaming him for not having a strong stay campaign.
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He is, quite simply, inept. He has historically been a strong backbench MP, raising awareness of some issues no-one else cares about and achieving some victories on various noble causes. However, he has zero experience of leading anything, zero experience of ministerial office and very little respect among Labour MPs. He was elected by members and unions and is perceived to be strongly on the left of the Labour Party, in contrast to Blairites who had previously been in control. Support from these groups, to an extent, remains in place and he is therefore seen as reasonably likely to win the coming leadership contest*. However, he was just barely nominated to the position by MPs in the first place and has now lost a Vote of No Confidence among MPs. They do not believe that he can win a General Election, which is reasonably likely to happen in the next six-nine months. The EU campaign is seen as the last straw by many. He pseudo-campaigned for Remain but it transpires that his office actively and deliberately sabotaged the Remain campaign. Regardless of his remaining popularity amongst Labour members it is the opinion of much of the UK political punditry that he is 100% unelectable. My personal prediction is that Labour would be reduced to 150 seats or fewer if he remains as 'leader', with many going back to the Tories, one or two going to the Lib Dems/Greens and the rest going to various nationalists. It is now looking vaguely possible that the Labour Party will split in two, although I don't know how likely I think this is myself. *assuming he is legally allowed to run, which is likely but by no means certain |
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06-29-2016, 08:23 PM | #630 |
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Well I would encourage you to google things and make up your own mind on him but yeah. He is in some trouble. Like I say I think that if he chooses to try and keep his job he'll manage it but he'll be pretty weak.
But the front runners for PM are both homophobic nutters so his problems are kind of incidental. |
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I mean, we're both in bad shape. And I've no doubt you'll be quick with one of your typical, "Ah yes, but you lot are far worse off than we are" retorts. But the general predicament bears too many similarities with a man on a lifeboat pointing and laughing at us as our holey lifeboat takes on water ... only for his own lifeboat to suddenly spring a leak and start taking on water fast too.
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06-29-2016, 11:59 PM | #632 |
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Britain has it a lot worse.
I think if anyone thought Trump was a RINO, what's happening to his campaign is proof he wants Hillary to win.
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Donald Trump has literally incited racial violence this campaign.
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06-30-2016, 06:22 AM | #635 | |
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So, BoJo is NOT running for PM, it's May vs Gove so far. God help us all. EDIT: Confirmed candidates for Tory leadership are: Stephen Crabb Liam Fox Michael Gove Andrea Leadsom Theresa May Last edited by SoS; 06-30-2016 at 06:31 AM. |
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06-30-2016, 06:36 AM | #636 |
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Oh yeah that's true they did.
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06-30-2016, 01:12 PM | #637 |
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So if I'm understanding things correctly, Corbyn wanted to leave but pretended he didn't, but because he lost the campaign he didn't want to win, his party wants to get rid of him so they can get somebody who can win the campaign he lost even though it's already over.
Meanwhile, Boris Johnson wanted to win by losing, but instead he lost by winning, because Cameron quit instead of taking responsibility for the stink bomb called Article 50. Also Gove backstabbed him. Now a woman who campaigned for stay but is now saying she wants to leave may become the winner. So the new prime minister won't be opposed by the opposition, but this is okay because the opposition is opposed by itself. Except Theresa May isn't a winner, because winning means you have to jump on the Article 50 grenade which means you lose. And since nobody wants to lose, they're gonna stall with an election that everybody kinda wants to lose, because winning means you have to activate Article 50, which means you lose. Unless you win and don't activate Article 50, which means you still probably also lose because that would be undemocratic and awful. So basically everybody's a loser except maybe the SNP who won because everybody else lost. But even if they win by leaving, they may still lose because leaving is still a bad idea. Last edited by Stealthy; 06-30-2016 at 01:19 PM. |
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Oh Jesus I've gone cross-eyed.
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06-30-2016, 02:11 PM | #639 |
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Basically unless someone decides to override the referendum (Which is perfectly legal, referendums are merely advisory iirc), whoever takes power next is buggered. And if they override the referendum, they'll be bollocksed for being undemocratic. But tbh the best outcome for this is that whoever comes in overturns the referendum and starts kissing arse even harder than Cameron did to try and ensure we stay.
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07-01-2016, 07:01 PM | #641 |
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So can we place Dave Cameron on the list as one of the worst PMs in history? Britain is screwed, but things look even worse right now because he didn't invoke Article 50, but going all Pontius Pilate on the matter.
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Do you guys think that this will lead to Irish unification and/or other countries leaving the UK? The non-England members of the UK sound pissed.
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Scotland, possibly. NI? Doubt it. I don't think there's enough support for a border poll and people fear going back to days of violence. Plus the DUP holds a majority and will do everything they can to stop it.
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07-02-2016, 10:36 AM | #645 |
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What's this article 50 anyways? From the sounds of things it seems like an end-of-the-world button.
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07-02-2016, 10:52 AM | #646 |
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It refers to Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon, referring to EU State Membership:
"1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements. 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. 3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. 4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. 5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49." |
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Whoever invokes the article is going to be screwed for life as a politician, even if it's essentially a formality, although an important one. It's the killing of a pig to get the pork.
Cameron's career was already toast, so he should have invoked the article, given he was the one responsible for calling the referendum and gave a voice to the UKIP. Britain leaving the EU is inevitable. Now, nobody wants to take up the reigns just to detonate their political career. Quote:
The UK economy's best route to recovery is to roll out the divorce papers quickly, and absorb the short term shock. Drawing things out will lead to a recession, since companies are pulling out their investments and stakes from Britain given the uncertainty. The dollar-pound fall, when I looked at it on my global investing account, was not as severe as everyone said. It's not like the exchange rate was world-beating before Brexit. Similarly, while stocks did get hurt following the aftermath, things were nothing like the multiple government bankruptcies that threatened the EU back in 2011. Similarly, while stocks did dive on Monday, what happened earlier in the year from the oil oversupply was much worse. But the problem is the rebound has only been modest, stocks are still hovering not far beyond their 5 year lows. That's a problem.
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It's not just that Dopple, in a big surprise for many voters, the EU provided lots of subsidies, and, mostly farmers, are pretty scared of becoming bankrupt when loosing this. British parlement will have to realocate some money to those who will get hit most before invoking the point of no return.
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