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That is so accurate.
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06-16-2014, 02:07 AM | #2652 |
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All legitimate and accurate concerns.
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06-16-2014, 07:04 PM | #2654 |
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06-17-2014, 01:42 AM | #2655 |
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So I guess this goes in this thread?
It's in Dutch/Flemish but you can easily get the gist of it while it's on mute.
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06-17-2014, 10:08 AM | #2656 |
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Nothing new, but still: depressing, scary stuff out of the radical feminist wing of society. Some samples below (that ended up becoming like half of what he posted, whoops):
Spoiler: show Whatever happened to the words of Bill S. Preston, Esq.?
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06-17-2014, 11:13 AM | #2657 |
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Hmm. It's a shame, there's so much about the world that really does need to change and move towards or beyond a feminist perspective but I do find it amusing that people think asking for a date is sexual harassment now.
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06-17-2014, 11:50 AM | #2658 |
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OK wow, just... I'm hoping Poe's law is in effect here, otherwise I lost some faith in humanity.
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06-17-2014, 12:02 PM | #2659 |
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The problem here is that its the extremists are the ones getting the most attention, and since people don't do their homework (and hence figure out that these are extremist views), people take that to be the face of feminism, and hence they mock it, which spoils the game for everyone, even the moderates. I'm a guy and I know there's a problem with (a severe lack of) gender equality, but there's a way to go about fixing it, and the extremism that largely dominates what we see is not it.
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06-17-2014, 12:39 PM | #2660 |
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You cannot cite a Daily Mail article and expect me to take your argument seriously.
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2. Unless you're going to seriously allege that the Daily Mail is a work in satire, I don't see why people cannot cite articles in the Daily Mail as examples of humanity's heights and lows. It may be sensationalist but so long as it isn't satire the person expressing those views sincerely believes in his/her position. It's similar to if we wanted to cite statements by political extremists in the United States as examples of humanity's ignorance or stupidity. You'd be right to argue that these individuals do not represent the majority of Americans but it would be wrong to dismiss discussion of their views entirely.
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The Daily Mail is well known for completely fabricating most of its contents from whole cloth, and I am not exaggerating that. It's success if primarily down to generating outrage and they know it - that's the goal with which their articles are written. Not to present any kind of genuine opinion. It's not a real news source and it doesn't try to be.
There are four actual national British newspapers that don't deliberately invent and exaggerate and instead make a genuine effort to present news; the Guardian, the Independant, the Times and the Telegraph.
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But okay then, scratch that one from the list if it's likely to be a complete fabrication, one which does not express its author's sincere views.
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06-17-2014, 01:26 PM | #2664 |
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Well, I wouldn't say well-known. I did not know about the Daily Mail prior to the Kanye West-Nelson Mandela article from earlier this year, which indeed had my outraged/laughing for a few paragraphs.
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Well known in the UK, being a British paper. I couldn't name more than one American paper (the New York Times would be all I could manage). For a Brit to not know what the Daily Mail is and what it's like would be like an American having never heard of CNN.
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06-17-2014, 02:15 PM | #2667 |
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At least the Daily Mail can be used as decent toilet paper. I wouldn't even use The Sun to wipe my arse.
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It's a little different for the US because there isn't really a truly 'national' paper, where the UK has half a dozen with good circulation nationwide (the Sun in Liverpool being a notable exception). I think I can name three or four strong US papers.
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06-17-2014, 04:22 PM | #2670 |
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I occasionally read the NYT and Washington Post on line, as well as a few Huff and Time articles.
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06-17-2014, 04:57 PM | #2671 |
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Talon's got the main US ones. CT has the Journal Inquirer and Hartford Courant. Probably more.
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Front page offers no apparent problems. Let's try the top headline. Front headline loads without problem. Side note: one reason not to read the NYT, I guess, would be uncalled-for remarks like this: Quote:
Back to our hunt. I got tired (after only two three articles ) of trying to find a subscription-only article just by clicking around. So I decided to randomly Google some stuff. After those articles loaded with success as well, I decided to investigate what the NYT subscription model is. And I found this on their site: Quote:
Compare this vs. the BBC, CNN, Fox News, and the other television news networks who offer free content 24/7 with no apparent restrictions. The only reason I can think of for wanting to pay for a newspaper subscription in America in this day and age is a mix of brand loyalty and faith that the newspaper team is more competent and more likely has your best interests at heart than do the megacorp television news networks. I think, for example, that this is what singlehandedly keeps the Wall Street Journal afloat: people who purchase the WSJ have confidence that this is a newspaper written by people like them (or, better yet, people whom they admire) for people like them. That it has more journalistic integrity, is less error-prone, etc. than the likes of CNN and Fox News. I suppose a good analogy would be if UPN were a site for paying members only while Serebii was free to the public. The only reason you'd ever pay for a UPN account is if you believed that it was buying you an experience that a) you couldn't possibly have on Serebii and which b) was very much worth having even if it meant it cost money. I suppose that such a UPN would be analogous to a NYT or a WSJ in that sense: you're paying to read supposedly well-written/better-written articles by people who are more like yourself and/or who you respect.
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Yeah the subscriber rule is irritating on things I read a lot but I'll be lucky to read one NYT article a month.
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06-17-2014, 05:40 PM | #2674 |
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Yes, The Daily Fail sucks. They (and other papers) got trolled by somebody pretending to be friends with Elliot Rodgers, and convinced the journalist that he went on a shooting spree because he was addicted to "the mood altering bodybuilding drug creatine" lol, creatine is a completely harmless supplement that you can buy in the supermarket.
http://www.americanluxurymag.com/201.../#.U6DFs7TOeUk Speaking of sensationalist newspapers and soccer, who can forget this notorious headline from the last World Cup: http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/a...0_1064498a.jpg
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06-17-2014, 05:47 PM | #2675 |
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I tend to associate the British papers with more respectable journalism. NYT isn't bad, but its scope of focus (much like USA Today) is often too broad to have actual informative utility, and serves more as an entertainment piece on a survey of subjects.
I used to be a fan of The Economist, until my education reached a point where I realized I didn't need stuff to be analyzed for me anymore.
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