08-31-2013, 02:45 AM | #1 |
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UPN's For Fun Metagame!
Have you ever wondered what would happen in a tier where Delibird, Dragonair, Ivysaur, Gastrodon, Machoke, and Camerupt would look like? Like to play competitive Pokemon but can't stand the OU metagame? Well, not sure how much we can help here, but you can get a fresh start here. New to comp and need an easy way to slip in without being torn asunder by an already established meta? This might just be for you. Want to help out with testing and analysis writing? Come in! This is..
Credits to lilbluecorsola for the banner! Now, the question might erupt, "Why did you guys make a new thread?" Well, Kin and I discussed it for a bit and came upon a couple of conclusions. For one, we wanted a better looking thread than the last one, which was really more of a brainstorming thread than anything else. Second, we wanted to make it more community friendly, in that any one would be welcome to come in and discuss. Thirdly, we felt that many of the decisions that had come about in the previous thread were done with no real testing. And fourth, this is going to finalize the metagame in a sense. We know what we want out of it. So, now that the brainstorming is over, we can get on with a professional looking thread. These are the Pokemon at the moment that are allowed in the FF metagame. Code:
I know people have bitched and moaned they want a "true" whitelist, so fine, I can do that. Bulbasaur Ivysaur Charmander Charmeleon Squirtle Wartortle Caterpie Metapod Butterfree Weedle Kakuna Beedrill Pidgey Pidgeotto Pidgeot Rattata Raticate Spearow Fearow Ekans Arbok Pikachu Sandshrew Nidoran-F Nidorina Nidoran-M Nidorino Clefairy Vulpix Jigglypuff Wigglytuff Zubat Golbat Oddish Gloom Vileplume Paras Parasect Venonat Diglett Meowth Persian Psyduck Golduck Mankey Growlithe Poliwag Poliwhirl Abra Machop Machoke Bellsprout Weepinbell Tentacool Geodude Graveler Ponyta Slowpoke Magnemite Farfetch'd Doduo Seel Dewgong Grimer Shellder Haunter Onix Drowzee Hypno Krabby Voltorb Electrode Exeggcute Cubone Lickitung Koffing Rhyhorn Horsea Seadra Goldeen Seaking Staryu Magmar Magikarp Ditto Eevee Flareon Porygon Omanyte Kabuto Dratini Dragonair Chikorita Bayleef Meganium Cyndaquil Quilava Totodile Croconaw Sentret Furret Hoothoot Noctowl Ledyba Ledian Spinarak Ariados Chinchou Pichu Cleffa Igglybuff Togepi Togetic Natu Mareep Flaffy Ampharos Bellossom Marill Sudowoodo Hoppip Skiploom Jumpluff Aipom Sunkern Sunflora Yanma Wooper Quagsire Murkrow Misdreavus Unown Girafarig Pineco Dunsparce Snubbull Granbull Shuckle Sneasel Teddiursa Slugma Magcargo Swinub Piloswine Corsola Remoraid Octillery Delibird Houndour Phanpy Stantler Smeargle Tyrogue Smoochum Elekid Magby Larvitar Pupitar Treecko Grovyle Torchic Combusken Mudkip Marshtomp Poochyena Mightyena Zigzagoon Wurmple Silcoon Beautifly Cascoon Dustox Lotad Lombre Seedot Nuzleaf Shiftry Taillow Wingull Pelipper Ralts Kirlia Surskit Masquerian Shroomish Slakoth Vigoroth Nincada Shedinja Whismur Loudred Exploud Makuhita Azurill Nosepass Skitty Delcatty Mawile Aron Lairon Meditite Electrike Plusle Minun Volbeat Illumise Roselia Gulpin Swalot Carvanha Wailmer Wailord Numel Camerupt Torkoal Spoink Grumpig Spinda Trapinch Vibrava Cacnea Cacturne Swablu Altaria Seviper Lunatone Solrock Barboach Whiscash Corphish Baltoy Lileep Anorith Feebas Castform Kecleon Shuppet Banette Duskull Dusclops Tropius Chimecho Wynaut Snorunt Glalie Spheal Sealeo Clamperl Relicanth Luvdisc Bagon Shelgon Beldum Metang Turtwig Grotle Chimchar Monferno Piplup Prinplup Starly Staravia Bidoof Bibarel Kricketot Kricketune Shinx Luxio Budew Cranidos Shieldon Burmy Wormadam - G Wormadam - S Wormadam - T Mothim Combee Vespiquen Pachirisu Buizel Cherubi Cherrim Shellos Gastrodon Drifloon Buneary Lopunny Glameow Purugly Chingling Stunky Bronzor Bonsly Mime Jr. Happiny Chatot Gible Gabite Munchlax Riolu Hippopotas Skorupi Croagunk Carnivine Finneon Lumineon Mantyke Snover Glaceon Phione Snivy Servine Tepig Pignite Oshawott Dewott Patrat Watchog Lillipup Herdier Purrlion Liepard Pansage Pansear Panpour Munna Pidove Tranquill Blitzle Roggenrola Boldore Woobat Drilbur Audino Timburr Tympole Palpitoad Seismitoad Throh Sewaddle Swadloon Leavanny Venipede Whirlipede Cottonee Petilil Basculin Sandile Krokorok Darumaka Maractus Dwebble Scraggy Yamask Tirtouga Archen Trubbish Garbodor Zorua Minccino Gothita Gothorita Solosis Duosion Ducklett Swanna Vanillite Vanillish Vanilluxe Deerling Emolga Karrablast Foongus Frillish Joltik Klink Klang Tynamo Eelektrik Elgyem Litwick Lampent Axew Cubchoo Beartic Shelmet Stunfisk Mienfoo Golett Pawniard Rufflet Vullaby Heatmor Deino Zweilous Larvesta Chespin Quilladin Fennekin Braixen Froakie Frogadier Bunnelby Fletchling Fletchlinder Scatterbug Spewpa Vivillon Litleo Flabebe Floette Skiddo Gogoat Pancham Furfrou Espurr Meowstic Honedge Doublade Spritzee Aromatisse Swilix Slurpuff Inkay Binacle Skrelp Dragalge Clauncher Helioptile Tyrunt Amaura Aurorus Dedenne Carbink Goomy Sliggoo Phantump Pumpkaboo Gourgeist Bergmite Noibat THE ABOVE IS A COMPLETE(GASP) WHITELIST. IF IT IS NOT UP THERE, ITS NOT ALLOWED. Now, for the clauses and the rules: Species Clause: You are only allowed one Pokemon of each specie on a team. This one is pretty standard. Sleep Clause: Only one Pokemon at a time can be put asleep, ignoring Rest. We do have a couple of sleepers in the tier and letting them run rampant is not fun. Item Clause: We are running a modified Item clause. It was discovered that only being allowed one item on a team was very restrictive and made it so many of the Pokemon would never to be used. So, we are allowing you to have two of each item. This allows for some variety while not restricting team choice heavily. Evasion Clause: Pokemon may not have Double Team or Minimize. We want a skill metagame, not a luck metagame. OHKO Clause: No OHKO moves. Moody Clause: Moody is broken and we all know this. Shell Smash + Baton Pass: This is tentative, but we do have one Pokemon who can do this and I'm not in the mood for this to become a thing. Sand Veil and Snow Cloak at the moment is NOT banned. Reason being is that Hail needs all the help it can get at the moment and its gives Sand a little more strength against Sun. Plus, another reason to say no to Gligar. All previous bans from the old FF thread are being undone with the creation of this thread. The reason being is that with the new Pokemon in the tier the metagame might change completely, and a few of those bans were done without any real testing involved. Future tests will probably happen if we manage to generate some interest. Finally, all the FF analysis's that were done before, basically Ivysaur and Charmeleon, are being redone to reflect new changes in the metagame. So, what's our motto? Have some fun people! Hey look, people! BlazeVA: blazeVA Ethereal: gloomtail Copy: skelvetica Tyoyo: Tsoyo Celebi151: FlashFusion swampertforever: Sir Swampy Shuckle: TsuckTsubo Escalion: Escalion redpanda15: redpanda15 firewater: firewater Kindrindra: Kindrindra Sneezey: Sneaze And guess what? Battle replays are going here! Spoiler: show Last edited by Princess Ana; 02-28-2014 at 08:15 PM. |
08-31-2013, 05:41 AM | #2 |
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I want to join in! This looks fun!
Where can I sign up? I'd love to use Shuckle. Oh, by the way. Since you have already imposed a blanket allowance on NFE's, do you mind removing all NFE's from the list? It makes it easier to see which fully-evolved Pokemon are allowed instead of always reverting to a NFE by default.
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08-31-2013, 05:47 AM | #3 |
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Quick question: Would this be all on Pokemon Showdown? Because this seems, well, fun, but my Computer access periods are smaller than my 3DS access time.
The fact that Hippopotas is allowed makes me want to play this, and the existence of Camerupt sweetens the deal.
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08-31-2013, 05:55 AM | #4 |
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I made a team. It's the kind of team that would only work in FF.
If you don't mind me asking, how am I supposed to find people again?
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08-31-2013, 08:31 AM | #5 |
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I love this idea! Good job guys!
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08-31-2013, 09:21 AM | #6 |
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So I've just come up with a team plan. All I can say about it is that I'm glad this team is on my B2 cartridge, as it means that you guys won't have to meet it on PS.
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08-31-2013, 09:48 AM | #7 |
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I'd love to join in on this too, but I have zero competitive experience. I just watch a shitload of stuff on YouTube, that's it. So I would appreciate a bit more info on the how and what and where I have to go to join in
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08-31-2013, 10:09 AM | #8 |
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Oh, yes, of course. One pretty picture and a center tag and the entire forum gets excited. Of course.
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08-31-2013, 10:42 AM | #10 |
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Hrm, this actually looks quite interesting. To lazy to read the list of allowed stuff in detail to try and teambuild, so I'll do that later.
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08-31-2013, 11:14 AM | #11 |
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Also, since you guys have got some basic stage 'mon instead of first stage for 3-stage families, I think you should just specify all the NFEs banned in the tier (Chansey, Gligar, Wartortle, etc.)
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08-31-2013, 11:17 AM | #12 |
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PEOPLE!
Anyways, we can do this on PS, PO, whatever you wish I guess. I don't have any FF teams on my B2 cartridge so...... And, on NFEs, I guess we could do that in all honestly. Seems like effort and I feel like many people will miss out on some of the better options(like Hippopotas for example), but if you guys feel like we should do that than that's okay.
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08-31-2013, 11:20 AM | #13 |
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Spoiler: a blacklist will be much shorter than a whitelist. A whitelist you were already self-admittedly too lazy to complete as you rushed this thread out the door because squee banner art.
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But, I've cleaned it up now. Many of the basic stages are taken out besides some of the best ones. And I'm on for any battles today if people wish. Just got to crock together a team.
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08-31-2013, 12:07 PM | #16 |
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Well... this looks... interesting.
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08-31-2013, 12:09 PM | #17 |
Getting married! :D
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Guess it's Showdown for me too. If I can figure out how making a team works there (never done that so :P) than I'll probably have something tomorrow
It's sleepy time in Bangkok now, unless you're here for other things of course XD
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08-31-2013, 12:21 PM | #18 |
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First battle replay, courtesies of yours truly:
The thralls of sun strike again! Highlights of the battle: Vulpix outstalling a Slowpoke in the sun Ivysaur and Vullaby going down in epic combat. Heatmor being a BOSS and shooting his Fire Blasts. Dragonair being the Queen of set-up, and ultra-bulky Magnemite.
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Hindsight! Although yes, Dragonair is a brilliant set upper if you let her - I couldn't deal with it due to stupid stuff like not having HPIce, Taunt, or Whirlwinders at that point. And honestly, now I think about it, Duosion doesn't really fit in to the team well. I need to replace him, but I don't know who to add in his place.
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08-31-2013, 01:11 PM | #20 |
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Darumaka is better than you think he is. That is all.
I'm ready for some games too :3
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08-31-2013, 01:54 PM | #21 |
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08-31-2013, 02:03 PM | #22 |
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I just finished my team. They bring the HEAT *hint hint*
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08-31-2013, 02:12 PM | #23 |
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In which Magneton Sits on a Rain team, among other things.
Oh, and apparently Hydration. Who knew?
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08-31-2013, 02:19 PM | #24 |
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I remember reading over the old thread and thought it would be fun. I'd like to try it one time Blaze!
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08-31-2013, 02:22 PM | #25 |
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How do you battle people? Is it just "Battle me!" or some other thing
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