06-22-2014, 09:57 AM | #2402 |
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Any suggestions on a check or counter for a max speed Durant (beneficial nature, 31 and full EVs)? My brother has managed to get his 3DS back from the festival he lost it at (about two hours after opening the one I bought him for his birthday) and this means that the Durant he continually uses to sweep his idiot friends is now something I'll need to worry about. His team in general is usually not all OU, we tend to be pretty relaxed and just use stuff because it looks badass as opposed to because it's actually good.
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06-22-2014, 10:17 AM | #2403 |
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Charizard eats basically anything Durant can throw at it, has fire attacks, and looks really badass.
*checks moveset* wtf durant Pretty much any Steel will wall out Durant, especially if it has some neutral-damaging move like Earthquake or Rock Slide. Steelix would work well. Fire will also do well and have the bonus of being more threatening, but he'll accuse you of trying to counter him and that's no bueno. Be subtle.
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06-22-2014, 10:40 AM | #2404 | |
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Durant can't usually afford to run a Focus Sash, meaning he is prime OHKO material for any Fire-wielding Pokémon. In a more casual setting, Hustle w/ Hone Claws will be his game, just as it is in Random Battle on Pokémon Showdown where he's one of the fastest in the format. In OU, though, Durant can't waste time setting up as he's just barely too slow (a base speed of 109) and much too fragile. (Smogon recommends the Hone Claws set still as Durant's best option in OU but admits that actually getting the accuracy boost set up and then reaping the rewards proves to be difficult.) Putting those three factors together, I'd say typical counters include:
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Gliscor can sponge pretty much anything from unboosted Durant while 3HKOing back with Earthquake. If not for Toxic Orb's healing, Gliscor would have probably lost, however. Unless Durant is boosted, Skarmory will take even Thunder Fang. Counter / Whirlwind Skarmory can usually deal with it. Unaware physically defensive Quagsire will almost never be 2HKOed, and can fish for a Scald Burn. Physically defensive Landorus-T will probably be able to beat it, but cannot switch in, because it is 3HKOed, and its Earthquake only 2HKOes. Mega Scizor is not 2HKOed by Durant unless the latter gets a critical hit, and is free to Roost/Knock Off its way to victory. Of course, these are just defensive counters. There are a lot of ways to beat Durant offensively. Talonflame, Greninja, Latios, or basically anything faster that has a powerful Special attack will beat it. |
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06-22-2014, 04:35 PM | #2407 |
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You got hosed in the opening turn of the game though, so condolences there. You earned the win once you made the score 3-2 ... and then out comes Xerneas from him and it's like "Seriously!? " ^^;;; Fucking Xerneas. A guaranteed-loss-to-guaranteed-win if ever I saw one ... ... In competent hands, that is. Your opponent both was ignorant and greedy, a combination which proved fatal for him in this game. One Geomancy was enough, but the fucker was too greedy and forged ahead for a second -- and cost himself the game by placing himself precisely one turn behind Shaymin. Had he instead gone straight for Moonblast, that probably would've been your loss. A frustrating loss, but still a loss. Thankfully for everyone here on Team Daisy, the guy dropped his insta-win button off the side of the boat like Rose's diamond in Titantic.
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06-22-2014, 04:57 PM | #2409 |
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Let me say again, Talon, I feel with Rock Slide what you feel with Heat Wave.
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06-22-2014, 05:07 PM | #2410 |
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Let me bite my tongue again on the two-page rant of why I really wish you'd quit lumping my situation in with yours. ^^; I appreciate the commiseration, but ...
Bah, since I've said this much and to leave it at only this would sound really callous, I'll just say these two sentences: I don't think you are weighing misses and hits equally but rather that you feel the pain of the misses a lot more heavily and thus they stand out to you more; I, on the other hand, am confident in my ability to objectively assess a situation, removing myself from it, and I am truly noticing that this move misses far more than it should. For what it's worth, a third sentence: I've already had two opponents remark on this as well, uninvited by me, saying that they've noticed that the server was changed recently (was it? how recently is "recently"?) and that Heat Wave misses much more than it used to.
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06-22-2014, 05:18 PM | #2411 |
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Talonflame kills Durant in one hit. So does anything faster than it that gets a decent fire type move
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06-22-2014, 06:51 PM | #2412 |
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Thanks all. He does indeed use Hone Claws to counter the insanity that is Hustle Stone Edge. He claims to have never lost a ramdom wi fi battle with it. I'll struggle to acquire Heatran but I might ask for a decent Skarmory fot breeding stock. He doesn't run Thunder Fang.
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06-22-2014, 06:56 PM | #2413 |
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Alternatively, Imposter Ditto!
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06-22-2014, 07:09 PM | #2414 |
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Yeah, given the presence of Stone Edge I'm not entirely sure how hot the Fire/Flying or Fire/Bug options are. Talonflame ordinarily outspeeds ... but emphasis on ordinarily. If your brother somehow Baton Passes Durant a speed boost ... if he runs Tailwind ... whatever it takes to get the ant faster than the bird, the dragon, and the moth, then yeah, it's not going to be pretty. (Yes, Talonflame still has priority Brave Bird. No, I don't think he's gonna OHKO a 100%HP Durant with it. Too lazy to crunch the calcs. Call it gut instinct.)
Skarmory can be good as not only an anti-Durant but also as a supporter for your own team. You can have him lay Spikes of your own ... you can have him set up Stealth Rock ... you can give him Defog to rid both sides of the field of hazards, further screwing over your brother's anti-anti-Durant strategies somewhat ... there are options. Common moves on Skarmory include:
He can be used offensively decently well though, as is testified to by the fact that Brave Bird is found on most if not nearly all modern sets. Given Durant's own frail defenses and 1x type resistance to Flying-type attacks, Skarmory's STAB Brave Birds should help out with the anti-ant duty.
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06-22-2014, 07:39 PM | #2415 |
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Someone say Skarmory? I have quite a few 4IV ones that are leftovers from my quest to breed a 5IV one. Even has the Egg moves Stealth Rock, Whirlwind, and Brave Bird. If you want one, let me know. Also, Stealth Rock is a transfer egg move, so yeah.
Anyways, have a battle I played a week ago. Dont Talk Shit if you Cant Back it up (OU, 31 Turns) Spoiler: show |
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God dammit TMC what the fuck are you doing
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Anyway, that stated ... I watched the entire game and I was looking for examples of smacktalking. Never saw any. I guess by "talking shit" you just meant "insulting," but I think he was just expressing his personal dislike of Talonflame.
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06-22-2014, 08:09 PM | #2418 |
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>don't talk shit if you can't back it up
Now seriously, you didn't wreck him. He made one bad misplay but if he hadn't switched Chansey in (whyyyyyyy) he could have come back from that. He played well.
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06-22-2014, 09:37 PM | #2419 |
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>Talon
He shitalking was on the Xat. It wasn't present in the battle (it would have been if Smogtours didn't prevent spectators from talking. Though I do see why it's disallowed). Idk if what I typed was clear enough On that or not. >Blaze Those were the word of everyone else on the Xat. I personally felt like I won with a good margin, but idk if I truly 'rekt' him (probably not and it was just shitalking afterwards). Anyways, the play with Chansey didn't matter /that/ much, as I still had Keldeo to take her on. If he had brought in Lando instead, I would've switched to TTar as a sac probably. Idk. Either way he was better than some opponents I've faced. |
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I would be interested in one of those Skarmory, yes. I'm sure I can find something vaguely decent to trade you in exchange, though outside of a shiny Piloswine and the Pokérus I'm not sure what I have worth the swap lol. We'll talk later.
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06-23-2014, 07:33 AM | #2421 |
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> /data instead of !data
I had no idea that /data was a thing and I admit to using the latter because it was the only one I knew. But its usually just to compare base speeds in a wire match, at that wire stage. > Clone's match Good on you for putting him down. I can't stand those people. > Rock Slide I know, I know Talon. But really, I know it gets its fair share of hits, but I feel like at least for me it misses a bit more than 10% of the time. Considering how much my White Clone team used Dig to bait out Birds for a Rock Slide, I have plenty of experience with it.
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