05-26-2012, 07:44 AM | #26 |
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05-26-2012, 08:14 AM | #27 |
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While it's understandable that you're surprised at the date from the 4chan side of things, it's not all that surprising from the Rozen Maiden side of things: Rozen Maiden was a Fall 2004 series. The soonest the masses would have been exposed to Suisei Seki was October 28, 2004. If Muyo happened to be watching the show as it aired, then there you go. If he even picked it up right when it ended, that'd still have been December 2004 and thus technically 2004.
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And right after I mention yesterday how I need to catch up on the manga scene and find out if it was canceled in June or not after all ...
Now, what isn't yet known is what this anime is going to be. The announcement simply says アニメ化決定! or "anime version confirmed!" So ... Question 1. Will it be a television series or an OAV? Since it doesn't specify "TVアニメ" or the like, and since it also doesn't specify what length of content it's planning to cover, there's no way to know yet whether this will be an OAV, a 13-episode series, or something even longer. However, I feel that it's likely to be an anime. The only time they ever did an OAV was for the TV-canon-only Rozen Maiden: Ouverture and that was more of a desperate Season 2.2 than anything else. If they're bringing Rozen Maiden back to anime after all this time, it's bound to be a proper television anime, I feel. The only question is length, which brings us to ... Question 2. What material from the manga will it cover? There are three major possibilities and fans are already feverishly wondering which one it'll be. Possibility #1: they continue from where Rozen Maiden: Träumend left off and continue to carve out a "loosely based upon the manga" story made for TV.Of these three possibilities, I feel that #3 is the most likely. I feel like the announcement would have mentioned 続き/つづき ("continuation") had it been #1, so that can probably be ruled out. To say nothing of the fact that the made-for-TV canon created a sort of clusterfuck for fans trying to reconcile manga canon with TV canon. ^^; #2 would imo be ideal assuming there was a studio with both the budget and the interest necessary to animate the entire thing from scratch again. But that's just it: since we're talking 43 manga chapters being adapted to television (so something like 36 to 52 television episodes) before you can even get to the exciting developments in the so-called "reboot" portion of the manga, I think this is a tad unlikely. Roughly two-thirds of those chapters were already adapted (however well or poorly fans want to argue for) by the earlier anime seasons. So does any studio seriously want to re-do those thirty or so chapters before getting to material never before seen on television? I kinda doubt it. You get it on occasion with the FMAs and the HxHs but can Rozen Maiden fans really expect to be so lucky? This is why I think it'll be the third of the possibilities mentioned above which'll come to be. The new anime will just start right where the manga started when Peach Pit changed publishers. And the made-for-TV version of this episode (or, more likely, of Episode 02) will have the final events of the first manga explained in greater detail here than it was in the continuation manga. Specifically, it will cover all of the stuff in the final fifteen or so chapters of the original manga for the sake of the television audience. That's what I'm betting. Regardless of the outcome -- OAV or TV anime, reboot or continuation -- this is great news for Rozen Maiden fans.
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So, as you are no doubt already aware -- and if not, then I'm about to tell you! -- it turns out that Rozen Maiden 2013 isn't a reboot after all. ^^; It's a direct continuation from where we left off. Well ... sort of.
The 2013 season, subtitled Zurückspulen (German for "Rewind", I'm told), starts off with an episode which recaps Volumes 1 thru 8 of the original manga (i.e. the manga with Publisher #1). It mostly focuses on content which was either omitted from the first two seasons of the television series or else changed from the source material. Like, a big chunk of this episode is allocated to showing how Suisei Seki originally came to the Sakurada household and who Sousei Seki was originally with. (It's different in the TV series.) Next week's episode of Zurückspulen is going to be Tale 01 of the manga. In other words, the first chapter of the manga from when Peach Pit switched publishers. (Reminder: chapters were called Phases with Publisher #1 and Tales with Publisher #2.) In other other words ... Spoiler: show As I explained in this post (warning: spoilers for the original series are in that post), this new story is not a reboot. I repeat, the show airing right now is not a reboot. It's a direct continuation of the original tale, and you'll see that for yourself once we hit Part III of the manga. (This is the start of Part II.) So! ... if you still haven't watched the original anime series or read the manga, now is a very good time to do so. Because you mustn't watch Rozen Maiden 2013, a.k.a. Rozen Maiden: Zurückspulen, until you've done either one of these two things. Otherwise you're going to be very confused and very spoilered on a ton of the big developments in Part I. Friendly handy-dandy guide:
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I'm already confused just reading that. Then again, I thought the RM anime went into original ending territory, so it's hard for my brain to find agreement with "it's still a continuation of the manga".
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The first episode had quite a few surprises in store. First and foremost among these was the sad discovery that this won't be a reboot after all. Several months ago, I actually nailed it in my prediction of what this series would be: Quote:
Well, we Rozen Maiden fans are used to being crapped on. ^_^; And crapped on we were, you might say. 'Cause no, we didn't get the red carpet treatment afforded to series like Fullmetal Alchemist or Hunter x Hunter. Instead ... yup, we're picking up from where Peach Pit changed publishers. The first episode of the new season, now referred to as Rozen Maiden: Zurückspulen (though I'm still not entirely sure whether that's an official name or not seeing as the word Zurückspulen is nowhere to be found in the anime), basically serves to try and recalibrate the original television series and get it back in sync with the manga. It makes several notable changes, but for the most part it does its job. But to say that we've been "crapped on" is a touch false. Because Studio Deen's Rozen Maiden is really quite gorgeous. I couldn't really tell from the preview, but getting to see the actual episode up close, it's clear just how manga-faithful a lot of the character animation is, from the dolls' eyes and eyebrows to Suigin Tou's wings. The very "liney" or "scratchy" style of Peach Pit's artwork comes across here, for better or for worse, but lends the work a much-desired air of authenticity. Furthermore, Deen went out of their way to bring back all of the original voice acting talent. Which is no mean feat when you consider that some of the voice actresses were either already stars at the time (e.g. Tanaka Rie) or else have since gone on to become stars in the years since the 2004 anime debuted (e.g. Sawashiro Miyuki). I don't imagine that that talent came cheap to Studio Deen (although maybe Tanaka Rie did. She wouldn't miss a chance to voice Suigin Tou for all the world! ), and it's definitely much appreciated by long-time fans of the franchise that all of the originals are back on board. Newcomer Kirakishou is voiced by Chiba Chiemi. It's a wonderful performance that is even better than the one I'd imagined when reading the manga. While the Kirakishou in my head was decidedly icier and lifeless (which I think works in its own way), Chiemi's performance is brimming with warmth and love, which just makes it all that much more creepy. Everyone's favorite ice queen is back and manages to steal the spotlight in just about every scene she's in. Unfortunately, quite a lot of her story was cut for time. (I'll discuss what was cut in the spoiler box below.) While I understand why Deen felt the need to cut a lot of this out due to time constraints, I feel like this ultimately is going to hurt the folks who try to jump into Zurückspulen thinking that they can do so without having read the manga or watched the original TV series first. One of the biggest differences between the original manga and the television series -- some would say it's the single biggest difference -- is Sousei Seki's story. Studio Deen acknowledged this and allocated quite a bit of the episode's time to Suisei and Sousei Seki. Unfortunately ... even this had a crapton of stuff cut for time. ^^; And unless you've read the manga, you're going to be pretty lost as to what's going on here. If you're a TV watcher and have questions about this, feel free to ask and I'll try my best to fill you in. Since I can't really discuss the rest of the episode without being spoiler-explicit, I guess it's time for the spoiler tag! Don't click if you haven't yet finished either the original manga or else all of the original TV series. Spoiler: show Final comments:
Long post may be long, but don't be scared! Just take your time reading it bit by bit. Posts should be considerably shorter starting next week. I'll assume from that point forward that you know what happens in the manga at least up to that point and we'll only be covering one to two chapters a week now instead of, lol, forty-five.
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Okay, so I am going to watch the original anime dubbed, but before I do it seems like this would be the best place to ask my question. Was there any big 4kids-esque changes from the Japanese version of the anime?
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I've never watched Rozen Maiden dubbed. You might imagine I'm going to beg you to watch it subtitled, but if Japanese audio is like nails on a chalkboard to you, then I guess a dub is better than nothing at all and welcome your willingness to give the series a try.
It's doubtful that any huge changes were made to the script; I actually own the entire thing on DVD from before Geneon went bankrupt. I actually could probably check right now for you, I just realized. O_o Damn ... guess I'll do that. *gulp* List o' Changes:Personally, I don't care for the dub, but I was never going to be the dub's target audience anyway. For what it's worth, I think that the original voices absolutely make some of these characters (including my favorite ), so I do think it'll be a shame if you opt for the English voice acting since they're just not as skilled. But that stated, I'd say the dub sounded about on par with Cardcaptors or something. Maybe a little worse (depended on the character), but the most important ones, sure, I'd compare it with a 4Kids dub's voice acting quality. In other words, it wasn't Samurai Shodown: the Motion Picture. And of all the voice actresses, my favorite character honestly had probably the best English voice acting. So ... small victories, I guess. You really won't watch it subbed? ;_; Think of it like watching a season of Power Rangers that never came to America ... Besides, you're gonna have to watch the new one with Japanese audio anyway. ^^; Unless you're planning on not watching it until it's dubbed. (Which could be never with the way the economy is now? A lot of anime series don't get dubbed anymore even if they do get licensed for sale in North America.)
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I guess I could give this thing a go. Starting with the original anime/s. Goodbye rest of vacation plans!
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I watched the first episode of the 2013 series of Rozen Maiden. I was disappointed as hell with it to be honest. I was sort of hoping this would be like FMA Brotherhood and making an improved, manga-faithful version of Rozen Maiden. Instead we get an insanely rushed first episode skimming through manga chapters until we get to a certain point of the manga. I don't really know how faithful the first series was to the manga, so I think I might be better off reading the first few volumes of the manga before watching the 2013 series. I might have missed some big events in that rushed first episode.
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If you're wondering "Did the first episode of Zurückspulen omit a lot?", the answer is yes. If you're wondering "Does this mean the rest of the series is going to be like this? ", the answer is an almost definite no. Judging from the sneak peek for next week's episode, and judging from what I know about Part II of the manga. In other words, once you either get the low-down from me, from the Internet, or from reading the original manga yourself, you shouldn't have to read any additional manga if you don't want to. You should be able to tune in each week and understand Zurückspulen perfectly fine.
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I guess I'll continue watching. There were a few events during the first episode that had me thrown off. I'll try to see what I missed. Afterall, I don't know how confused I'll be when the show picks up. I'll do so through the manga. I've been meaning to read it for a while. Admittedly, I should have through my manga binge a few weeks ago.
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I'm about 10 chapters through the manga. I'm enjoying it so far. It's more detailed than I remember the anime being, and I liked the small struggle Jun had with Hinaichigo when she joined (atleast I don't remember it happening in the anime). So far there aren't as many differences from this and the anime. Of course this has more description, while the anime has more SoL hijinks.
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I'm 30 chapters through the manga. After Suiseiseki joins, things start becoming quite a bit different from the anime (as far as what I can remember). Most of this has been pure character development so far, which is a big plus for me. The bonding scenes are really heartwarming, and I like the issues most of the characters have. Especially Goblin Tou's human companion. She's especially interesting. I don't really have any big issues, but god I have to keep tabs on everything going on. We sometimes have a bunch of things going on at once.
One thing, did the anime ever answer what's wrong with Jun? I'm on that part in the manga right now, but I don't remember it happening. I remember a bunch of comparisons between him and a certain special someone, but that's all. I tend to forget every event that happens in an anime after a year or so. That makes rewatching that much sweeter! |
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Anime Jun and Manga Jun become hikikomoris for completely different reasons.
(Anime spoilers thru Season 1's final few episodes; manga spoilers thru Volume 6 or 7? I forget ...) Spoiler: show So yeah. Two different reasons. And since the manga reason is moreso canon than the anime reason and plays a rather significant role for Part II of the manga, I can see why the animation ground to a halt after Träumend (amongst other reasons).
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Not language I personally ever use. I was trying to succinctly give you the correct feel for the sort of attitudes Jun encountered. Seems it did the job perfectly, just so long as you haven't mistaken those for my own attitudes or prejudices. (I assure you I have neither.)
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Spoiler: show So yeah. Hina Ichigo is one of those "you either love her or you fucking despise her" characters. I would encourage you to like her because she's no less important to the story than any of the other sisters (and in fact is arguably more important than quite a few of them), but obviously you can't fundamentally alter your likes and dislikes so if you really really hate her then I'll say just grin and bear it for the scenes she's in and then enjoy the subsequent scenes. Two of my all-time favorite episodes are Hina Ichigo episodes. (One is Season 1 Episode 5. The other is a Season 2 episode, the number of which I don't exactly remember but it has to do with Hina trying to mail Jun a letter.) I think you should enjoy both of these. I hope you will, at any rate. Not to grind your gears or anything, but part of the problem is that you've chosen to watch the dub, and from what I saw, English Hina Ichigo is one of the worst voice acting performances ever. You have a woman who is CLEARLY in her upper 30s, lower 40s who is (in her head) trying to talk like a little girl ... but she winds up just sounding like a grown woman speaking in a higher-pitched voice all the time. There isn't a soul in this world who would mistake her voice acting for the voice of an authentic child. While Japanese Hina's voice is also pretty shrill and grating at times, a) it's still kinda meant to be. She is supposed to be like a bratty little 5-year old, after all, and b) it at least passes for the imitation of a child's voice. You're absolutely right that Japanese Hina's voice isn't exactly honey either, but I've not heard anything quite so pathetic as English Hina's voice in a long time. (Remember when I said in an earlier post that certain English voice actresses' performances ruined some of my favorite characters? Yeah. That. ^^; )
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Rozen Maiden Zurückspulen Episode 02 was amazing. Or, more restrained, it was a really, really good adaptation of the manga chapter. Night and day different from the 45-in-1 fiasco of last week's episode, you'll be glad to hear. It covers one and a half chapters from the manga -- all of Tale 01 and the first nine pages of Tale 02 -- and it does so very nicely. At times I think my own imagination with the manga was better, but there are a few points where the team really impressed me with their own superior take on a scene or cel. It's clear that the staff at Studio Deen are fans of the series and are trying their best to deliver a product which will not only meet fans' hopeful expectations but which will stand the test of time as well. Spoiler: show Now for some bad news. I was looking at MyAnimeList and I couldn't help but notice that the episode count for this season of Rozen Maiden has been filled in. And the magic number is ... 13. The thing is, I don't believe it. And I can tell you why, but it'll require me to mention which chapter in the manga wraps up the current story arc. Spoiler: show
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I read all of the manga bits the first episode of the 2013 episode covered. Unfortunately, there's a bit of a problem. I'd rather not stop reading, and after seeing that the 2013 anime is only 13 episodes, I'll probably just plow through the manga and watch anime episodes as they air.
It'd be silly to put the manga down and start watching at this point anyway, since so much is happening. Admittedly I don't fully buy what's happening right now, but that's neither here nor there. |
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You really shouldn't. Starting around Chapter 12 or 13 or something, the initial translator (Jpns --> Eng) vanished. The remaining chapters have been translated by Telephone Game (Jpns --> Rssn --> Eng) and are only like 70% accurate, 30% rewrite. I found out when I ran out of scanlated chapters myself and moved to raws ... only to discover that so, so much had been totally made up in the translated chapter. Not sure whether the blame's the Russian's, the English speaker's, or neither and it's just things getting fucked up because of the telephone effect, but still. Would recommend you put the manga down now and watch weekly. Feel free to do with that advice what you will.
(I'd also discourage it since, as a non-raw reader, you're going to get BONED when you catch up. ^^; The last I saw a few weeks ago, the English project just reached the chapters I read raw a year ago ... and it's ONE HELL OF A CLIMAX.) EDIT: Figured I would've talked about it last year. Here you go, my big bad brother. Check out this post and make an informed decision. Whatever you decide, I'll be happy to help. Read on and discuss with me or pause and speculate madly each week: the choice is yours. But yeah, click that link and read that post. ^^; EDIT 2: The above isn't the raw jump I mentioned at the start of the post. The raw jump happened around the time when {spoiler character} is dangling a foot off of {spoiler place or thing}. It's around Tale 35 or something iirc. I then went back and read raw from like Chapter 20-something forward. EDIT 3: Here it is. Don't click the spoiler box, obviously. Scroll down and read the paragraph beneath it.
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That's really discouraging. I went and checked the first few bits of Tale 21 and saw what you were talking about. It was pretty bad. I might see how long I can put up with it, but god damn if they really say "Come at me bro!" or some shit like that, I'm stopping.
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