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Old 06-13-2018, 09:04 AM   #51
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Changing Copycat to Mirror Force is an actual crime on the real Mirror Force. Psysplit is pretty cool though.

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Old 06-13-2018, 03:04 PM   #52
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Now that some custom moves have changed up, it should maybe go without saying that they might no longer be quite as well-suited to some Pokémon as their previous iterations may have been. To give you an example, I taught Frosted Flake Fall to my Weedle, with the intention of eventually getting a Safety Goggles for her to hold. I also taught her Aurora Veil to use with Frosted Flake Fall. However, I get the feeling that the new effect of Frosted Flake Fall, aside from making me need to now teach her Hail either way, would no longer make it practical for her to ever use the move, Safety Goggles or otherwise.

My question here is, would it be possible for there to be some way to... maybe transfer custom moves from one Pokémon to another? Obviously this would exclude IQ/Bond-related custom moves, and if we're removing the Ice-type-only restriction from Ice Barrier (at least, I hope we do, and I see nothing about that restriction in the description anymore), that would open up further possibilities that we never knew would even exist back when first teaching the move. I'd imagine this system would be a one-time-only thing following the implementation of these moves, and once the changes get approved, you can't make anymore changes.
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Old 06-13-2018, 03:20 PM   #53
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None of the moves I posted are set in stone. I left them here for everyone to discuss if they disagree with my vision for them. Regarding Frosted Flake Fall, since we now have two people who view similarly about my new effect, maybe we should go back to the drawing board about what it should be? I'm open to ideas; I just felt that a damage-over-time move similar to Aurora Veil would be a neat idea.

I see Emi is against Mirror Force, but how does everyone else feel? Should we call it Mirror Force or Psysplit? Both sound good to me.

Lastly, I am in favor of adding the Blow-Back effect Raves came up with. Having a hazards shifter seems like an interesting idea that differentiates it from Whirlwind. What do y'all think?

Any other questions about the other moves or their Z-Effects? Or can I take silence as a consensus agreement?
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Old 06-13-2018, 03:46 PM   #54
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None of the moves I posted are set in stone. I left them here for everyone to discuss if they disagree with my vision for them.
This is the part where I facepalm, embarrassed at having forgotten that fairly major detail.

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Regarding Frosted Flake Fall, since we now have two people who view similarly about my new effect, maybe we should go back to the drawing board about what it should be? I'm open to ideas; I just felt that a damage-over-time move similar to Aurora Veil would be a neat idea.
It's an interesting idea, no question, but one that would quite heavily screw over any non-Ice-type users of the move. I personally had no problem with it being a stronger Hail, and would be quite content if it were to remain as such. My only real beef with the move from the start was the absolute mouthful that is its name.

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I see Emi is against Mirror Force, but how does everyone else feel? Should we call it Mirror Force or Psysplit? Both sound good to me.
As the one who suggested Psysplit to begin with, I'm probably gonna lean towards that one if I had to choose, though I do agree that Mirror Force is a cool name for it as well.

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Lastly, I am in favor of adding the Blow-Back effect Raves came up with. Having a hazards shifter seems like an interesting idea that differentiates it from Whirlwind. What do y'all think?
I'm all for it, personally.


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Any other questions about the other moves or their Z-Effects? Or can I take silence as a consensus agreement?
A few things.

1: Voodoo Bugaloo. I have no issue with the proposed changes whatsoever. Turning it into basically an offense-oriented Substitute is a cool idea that I'm all for. That said, however, with these changes, as I mentioned previously, Stun Spell is no longer a fitting name idea for it. It was my suggestion, yes, but it was my suggestion back when the move's effect was to temporarily immobilize the opponent. I suggested name ideas like Mirror Doll, Counter Sub, and Synchro Sub, but if anyone has anything that conveys the same idea and sounds cooler, I'd like to see.

2: Meant to say this earlier, but Brain Freeze seems to me like it should remain an attacking move. It does damage and has a chance at making the opponent not attack- it's not really very different from basically any flinch-inducing move, at least in my opinion, except one could make the argument that this can technically work around Inner Focus. I mean, even if the damage is delayed slightly, it wouldn't be the first move like that. Just look at Future Sight and Doom Desire.

Aside from all I've just said, I'm fine with all other changes, including the names of Cookie Crumble, Smart Shield, and Razor Snow for their respective moves.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:05 PM   #55
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It's an interesting idea, no question, but one that would quite heavily screw over any non-Ice-type users of the move. I personally had no problem with it being a stronger Hail, and would be quite content if it were to remain as such. My only real beef with the move from the start was the absolute mouthful that is its name.
My personal opinion is that I do not want a Hail clone that simply makes Hail obsolete, so I would like to have something that differentiates it other than increased damage. Custom moves are unique for a reason, because we have the ability to create something truly unique from the mainstream games, so I would like for us to come up with something more original. Ice type pokemon seem to have a small niche centered around Hail effects that allows them to offset their horrible defensive typing, so personally I'd like something that enhances that. But if everyone else wants a move that benefits all types of pokemon, I'm open to traversing that path. I just want something better than a "stronger Hail".
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As the one who suggested Psysplit to begin with, I'm probably gonna lean towards that one if I had to choose, though I do agree that Mirror Force is a cool name for it as well.

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A few things.

1: Voodoo Bugaloo. I have no issue with the proposed changes whatsoever. Turning it into basically an offense-oriented Substitute is a cool idea that I'm all for. That said, however, with these changes, as I mentioned previously, Stun Spell is no longer a fitting name idea for it. It was my suggestion, yes, but it was my suggestion back when the move's effect was to temporarily immobilize the opponent. I suggested name ideas like Mirror Doll, Counter Sub, and Synchro Sub, but if anyone has anything that conveys the same idea and sounds cooler, I'd like to see.
So as far as names go, Copycat is the one that 1000% needs a name change, for the obvious reason that there is a canon attack from the main Pokemon games with the same name. The rest don't necessarily need to be changed, but if the community wants to, this is as good a time as ever to explore that. So I would like to hear from more members of the community how they feel about existing custom move names. Maybe we could even take it to a vote if we have to.
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2: Meant to say this earlier, but Brain Freeze seems to me like it should remain an attacking move. It does damage and has a chance at making the opponent not attack- it's not really very different from basically any flinch-inducing move, at least in my opinion, except one could make the argument that this can technically work around Inner Focus. I mean, even if the damage is delayed slightly, it wouldn't be the first move like that. Just look at Future Sight and Doom Desire.

Aside from all I've just said, I'm fine with all other changes, including the names of Cookie Crumble, Smart Shield, and Razor Snow for their respective moves.
So, you think Brain Freeze should be like a 50 BP (same as Confusion) special Ice type attack that is delayed like Future Sight and has a chance to flinch the opponent? I wouldn't be opposed to that
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:27 PM   #56
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My personal opinion is that I do not want a Hail clone that simply makes Hail obsolete, so I would like to have something that differentiates it other than increased damage. Custom moves are unique for a reason, because we have the ability to create something truly unique from the mainstream games, so I would like for us to come up with something more original. Ice type pokemon seem to have a small niche centered around Hail effects that allows them to offset their horrible defensive typing, so personally I'd like something that enhances that. But if everyone else wants a move that benefits all types of pokemon, I'm open to traversing that path. I just want something better than a "stronger Hail".
That's perfectly fair. I was thinking today, and I think I got an idea that'll make the move unique and interesting while being a bit more friendly to non-Ice-type users- we make Frosted Flake Fall/Razor Snow into an attacking move. Pretty much like an Ice version of Razor Leaf, but when used during Hail, it additionally afflicts the target(s) with the frostbitten status. This way, we can still work with your idea, and while the user isn't completely in the clear (Hail still needs to be up in order for frostbite to happen, after all), it does make things at least a bit easier on non-Ice-type users.
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:43 PM   #57
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That's perfectly fair. I was thinking today, and I think I got an idea that'll make the move unique and interesting while being a bit more friendly to non-Ice-type users- we make Frosted Flake Fall/Razor Snow into an attacking move. Pretty much like an Ice version of Razor Leaf, but when used during Hail, it additionally afflicts the target(s) with the frostbitten status. This way, we can still work with your idea, and while the user isn't completely in the clear (Hail still needs to be up in order for frostbite to happen, after all), it does make things at least a bit easier on non-Ice-type users.
That's not a bad idea. So how about a 55 BP physical ice attack (same as Razor Leaf), minus the crit chance, but instead when used during Hail effects it doubles in power (110 BP) and has a 10% chance to cause Frostbite (same as poison but is cured the same as a Freeze)? How does that sound to everyone? And how does everyone other than MM (because I know how he feels :P) about naming it Razor Snow vs Frosted Flake Fall?
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That's not a bad idea. So how about a 55 BP physical ice attack (same as Razor Leaf), minus the crit chance, but instead when used during Hail effects it doubles in power (110 BP) and has a 10% chance to cause Frostbite (same as poison but is cured the same as a Freeze)? How does that sound to everyone?
I like it.
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