05-17-2018, 12:52 AM | #4701 | |
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As for formats, there's plenty of other metagames and custom formats and whatnot. I don't know off the top of my head but there's probably something close to what you're looking for if you look hard enough.
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05-17-2018, 02:56 AM | #4702 |
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Thanks for that!
HERE IS MY FIRST EVER POKEMON BATTLE! Which I lost due to d/c. https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ubers-748609221 Xerneas spooked me. I currently don't have a plan for beating it. I need to think of something.
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05-17-2018, 04:40 AM | #4703 |
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...Why not play an OU team with Pelipper if the only Uber you're going to use is Kyogre
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05-17-2018, 08:37 AM | #4704 | |
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Whatever do you mean, though, by "MY FIRST EVER POKEMON BATTLE"? Surely you must mean this is your first-ever Ubers battle, no?
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05-17-2018, 12:09 PM | #4705 | |
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I had never battled another player before that game.
What happened with Keldeo was pure luck. I wasn't even sure if Fighting resisted Dark but thought it did, and then had no idea about Justified or if Keldeo could outspeed Xerneas. Turns out it could have, even after Geomancy, but Keldeo wouldn't have enough to take him out. I still don't have an explanation for why Darkrai died after using Dark Pulse. Similarly, Tapu Koko versus Xerneas was also luck. I was surprised by Thunder off Xerneas (I thought it only ran Moonblast) and only dropped Koko for the boosted, perfectly accurate thunder. It didn't hit me until before I went to bed that Koko either resists or is neutral to both Moonblast and Thunder which had to be Xerneas' only two attacking moves. Quote:
A more technical reason was Damp Rock is banned from OU so even with Pelipper that battle the rain was ending way too quickly.
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05-17-2018, 02:44 PM | #4706 |
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Before I get going, this is the second battle ever, an accident while I was trying to play ubers but didn't validate the team:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/g...ttle-748869334 I have very little idea what I'm doing so it's rather refreshing that the power level of the opponents has scaled down to where I am. Compare against Dueling Network and Tenhou, where when I started (2011/2008 ) the quality of players was much lower but now even basic randoms are super powerful, so if you're not prepared you can get btfo of your first game.
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05-18-2018, 12:47 AM | #4707 |
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I've played about 12 games, I think I'm getting better.
I was taken aback at Oblivion Wing, it must be super effective against Fighting types? That also explains why Focus Blast didn't do super effective damage to Yveltal. But that Volt Switch did a huge amount and I wasn't even trying. I was dancing around Kyurem-W because I didn't know what it was weak to. I don't think I have a move super effective move against it.
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05-19-2018, 11:31 AM | #4710 |
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In the future you can do "/data x" and it'll come up with whatever you're looking for
So "/data Yveltal" would give you its typing, base stats, potential abilities, etc.
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05-19-2018, 05:31 PM | #4711 |
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OK, three days in, here is my team:
Kyogre Mega Swampert Ash-Greninja Wash Rotom Pelipper ??? Two fast rain sweepers, two rain setting tanks, and a really good pivot. The team is really fun but horribly inconsistent due to Hydro Pump's poor accuracy. Scald just doesn't have enough accuracy to really justify using it on anymon not named Kyogre, Perhaps surprisingly, this team is not total trash against Primal Groudon. I actually have a very favourable matchup because a lot of people expect Groudon to stomp and are forced to switch. What I have had consistent trouble with are the deers: Extreme Killer Arceus Geomancy Xerneas Arceus-Water And the dragons: Palkia Giratina Dialga Sinnoh just eats me up even though those are supposed to be one of the lesser generations for legendaries. Anyone have any secret sauce on how to undo the ungulates?
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05-19-2018, 05:47 PM | #4712 |
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Primal Groudon or Dusk Mane Necrozma.
Marshadow is a good offensive answer to E-Killer Arceus.
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05-19-2018, 06:04 PM | #4713 |
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I can't use either because this is mono water.
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05-20-2018, 02:28 PM | #4714 |
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This was the highest rated opponent I faced but I had a good matchup. I was able to employ some prediction which I didn't do in earlier games. I was able to tell he had a Choice Scarf Yveltal and that was the benefit of leading with Pelipper.
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05-22-2018, 10:49 AM | #4715 |
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05-23-2018, 01:14 AM | #4716 |
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I gave up only using Kyogre and went to Arceus-Water, and managed to get up to 1300 ELO! That isn't respectable at all but I feel proud as a newbie with a heavily flawed team.
And on boy. This game goes to show it as I played a guy who took 2 minutes per move. I still don't know what works, or how to play it. It took me a full year to figure out Yu-Gi-Oh! and then several years to play my deck at a high level and keep it competitive. I am throwing darts and trying to figure out what works. I was complaining about Arceus and Xerneas, and while both give me trouble I have no outs to Blissey. Greninja is my only Taunt-er and he doesn't run Fighting (or physical) moves, and with the necessary Choice Scarf (to outrun Shaymin, Marshadow, and +2 Xerneas) it's not practical anyway. The Z-Hydro Cannon was interesting. I lost the rain but was almost able to consecutively KO both Yveltal and Magearna. But even in rain it doesn't offer much on Blissey.
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05-23-2018, 01:50 AM | #4717 |
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As handicapped as your team is, your answer to Blissey is that Mega Swampert of yours. Base 150 Attack, access to moves like Superpower and STAB Waterfall ... Superpower does 80.9 - 95.5% damage to a Blissey with max HP, max Def, and a Bold nature ... it does 97.3 - 114.5% damage to what Smogon considers to be "the typical Ubers Cleric Blissey", with an 81.3% chance to OHKO ... either way, Superpower on your Mega Swampert will hurt Blissey pretty badly.
That stated, you need at least two answers to a special wall, not just one. Just one, and your opponent is going to ID it quickly and do everything he can to take it out. You need two so that even if one dies the other can still finish the job and remove the enemy Blissey from play. Other physical Waters include Gyarados, Feraligatr, Araquanid, Samurott ... realistically, none is an ideal Blissey answer but Gyarados at least can become fearsome with Dragon Dance. You want to run Dragon Dance, Waterfall, and any two other moves that make good sense for your team. Stone Edge? Crunch? Ice Fang? Bounce? Earthquake?
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05-23-2018, 02:35 AM | #4718 |
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I've tried Superpower on it. Blissey doesn't die and just Softboils back up in health, and Swampert gets a crippling attack drop which prevents it from doing the same thing twice in a row. A competent trainer, seeing that Blissey is going to get KO'd, would switch out Blissey into a physical wall (like Primal Groudon) which forces me to switch. I can handle Primal Groudon at full health, but not with the attack drop from Superpower.
Hammer Arm is something I've thought about. My initial strategy to beat Arceus was Counter, since the Chople Berry was why I could only do 80% to Arceus with Superpower despite a SE hit, and I couldn't tank another Extremespeed. But Counter was really gimmicky and both Swampert and Greninja need to not take hits as they're the sweepers of the team. I ran Gyarados for a while. Since it's immune to Precipice Blades and cripples physical sweepers I thought it was good tech. But Gyarados' physical movepool sucks. Waterfall is good, but even a uninvested Greninja does as much damage with Waterfall as a 252 EV Jolly Gyarados. Bounce is terrible and Z-Bounce doesn't kill anything that Pelipper doesn't in the rain with Hurricane. It also isn't physically bulky. In Ubers, I don't have a single setup sweeper due to the immense pressure opposing teams levy against me. I've won some matchups with Pelipper just because people underestimate how strong it can be offensively - it normally doesn't force a switch. Only my invested, defensive Pokemon can take one neutral hit without dying. Kyogre - 252 EV SpD, Calm, with an Assault Vest - dies to two Moonblast or two Thunder from +2 Xerneas. Xerneas doesn't even need the +100% Thunder, because Fairy Aura, STAB Moonblast gets +80% and can special drop Kyogre to add insult to injury. In theory, Rest is a good option because Kyogre exists only as a bulky, offensive rain setter,but all that does is buy me a turn. The massive irony to me is that, though Xerneas carries the bane of a rain team - a 100% accurate Thunder - it's my inability to stop Moonblast that has held me back. Fairy types are just nightmares in general because nothing that works against them ALSO work against Primal Groudon. I've been looking at Samurott since it's an interesting coincidence that you brought up Oshawott. I'm just not sure a fit is there that bulky Arceus wouldn't already fit.
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05-23-2018, 11:40 AM | #4720 |
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Was that just a Rest set... with no way to counteract the Sleep at all?! Goodness gracious, that's a pretty dang noobish mistake right there!
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05-23-2018, 11:56 AM | #4721 |
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Given the set used rocky helmet to add onto the counter damage aspect of it, I think it just didn't have room for a countermeasure.
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"What's a good answer to Blissey?" "Well, Machamp ..." "No, that's not right. They just switch out to Skarmory and then Machamp loses." "..." Quote:
Also, Gyarados already suffers from Four Moveslot Syndrome. Saying "it doesn't have enough good moves in its movepool" is another really strange claim for you to be making. Waterfall. Earthquake. Stone Edge. Bounce. Crunch. Ice Fang. Dragon Dance. Seven moves it wants, and it can only run four. Its only real problem is that moves like Bounce and Ice Fang aren't better than they are. But they're good enough to find usage in OU. You'll find all seven of these moves on recommended Smogon sets the past three generations. Quote:
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The problem all comes back to your insistence on running a monotype team in a hostile format.
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252 Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 109-129 (28.6 - 33.8%) -- 0.6% chance to 3HKO 0- Atk Greninja-Ash Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 93-109 (24.4 - 28.6%) -- 98.3% chance to 4HKO That's Jolly and Timid, respectively. Quote:
So even if I find an opportunity to setup, it still isn't enough to take out an opponent who doesn't resist the STABs and who I have a coverage move for. I've found that the only reason to pack Ice is against the Pokemon with double weakness and a resistance to Water (Dragon/Ground, Ice/Grass, Dragon/Flying, Grass/Flying), against those without such water is the better choice. Quote:
There shouldn't be a problem with monotype necessarily! I have Ubers-tier power and speed on my side in the rain. But that power/speed has a massive fall off if you look back further than ORAS. That's why the very first team was Kyogre + Swampert + Greninja + ??? because I had no idea what would work aside from the Pokemon with the stats to pull their weight.
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05-23-2018, 02:38 PM | #4724 |
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Goalposts! I gave you Ash-Greninja to prove my point! You didn't say "Gyarados is only as good as Ash-Greninja": you said he's only as good as G-R-E-N-I-N-J-A! If you're going to cheat and automatically launch yourself into Ash-Greninja, then why don't I go ahead and also cheat by exactly one turn and give myself a free DD?
0- Atk Greninja-Ash Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 93-109 (24.4 - 28.6%) -- 98.3% chance to 4HKO +1 252 Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 163-193 (42.7 - 50.6%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO Or if you're more interested in an honest comparison of apples and apples: 252 Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 109-129 (28.6 - 33.8%) -- 0.6% chance to 3HKO 0- Atk Greninja Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 64-76 (16.7 - 19.9%) -- guaranteed 6HKO ...
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