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Old 12-23-2017, 05:04 PM   #76
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Rhee, you don't have to revive a dead basketball thread every so often with great posts. But you do. And for that, I thank you. I normally have some bones to pick with some of your takes but in all honesty I think your commentary is 100% spot on.
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I hope Harden doesn't win because he has a lot of off-court stuff that makes me dislike him, and I love the idea of "best player to never win an MVP". I'm really hoping for LeBron to get it because he's playing at the peak of his career now.

That said, the NBA perception is warped and I think Harden is getting more credit than he should be. Yes, he's improved, but the Rockets are still not in the same tier as the Warriors/Cavs/Celtics. The Warriors have been coasting on the strength of their awesome bench, even better than the 2014-2015 bench, and the difference between the Rockets/Warriors records is 0.1 seconds. They're pretenders and are going to get wtfstomped.
interesting take! even though bron's only got a few MVPs, I feel like voter's fatigue is exemplified in him. Realistically, except for a few years with the Heatles, he really has been the best player on really good teams since, like, 2013, and I feel like he should have more hardware than he does. Still, he's putting up numbers right now that people should only really get in 2k and people are acting like it's nothing. I'm sure there'll be a little bit of deflation in points once IT comes back, but yeah, i think lebron probably deserves it a bit more than Harden.

That being said, Harden and the Rockets are REALLY GOOD and I feel like the perception has only recently started going in their favor when people started noticing that they've been winning!

Their defense is actually really good, and even though he hasn't improved as much as Kyrie, part of it has been a little bit of effort from Harden!

Their offense is something out of D'Antoni's wet dreams, and they can outscore pretty much anyone at any time since he's staggering CP3 and harden's minutes.

Plus Capela is a defensive stud, and he's already better than 7-Seconds-Or-Less Amare in my mind.

I think LeBron's been doing more with less around him, but goddamn, Harden has been unstoppable on offense (his step-back is better than MVP Curry's!) and he has less minutes than most!

I think the Rockets really are contenders this year like they never have been.

Plus, if Harden doesn't get it this year, lol he's never getting it

EDIT: to be clear, the Warriors are still my favorites in a seven game series. Their depth is somehow underrated (????) and, like, who's gonna stop Curry/Thompson/Durant/Draymond/Jordan Bell (god I love that kid)? Still, I think the Rockets have a shot this year, and more of one than the media would like to give them credit for!

DOUBLE EDIT: to reiterate how insane LeBron's numbers are: He's averaging 28.4 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 9.2 apg, 1 block, 1.5 spg, and on 57% fg, 41% 3fg, and 78.5 ft%????? I don't even like Lebron and golly!
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Old 12-23-2017, 05:08 PM   #77
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>Celtics

He ruled out returning this year awhile ago, so sadly we won't get to see the Celtics at full power this season. That said, I still think the Celtics can really give the Cavs a run for their money. I just don't think that it'll be enough. Like you said LeBron is somehow playing some of the best basketball of his career, and Isaiah Thomas isn't even back yet. He's targeting a return by the beginning of April, I heard. That gives him about a few weeks to shake off the rust before the playoffs start, and I'd be hella scared of the Cavs in the playoffs. I think the Celtics take them to 7 games in the ECF, but ultimately Cavs go to the Finals again.

>Rockets

Hold up. I think you're absolutely disrespecting the Rockets here. When Chris Paul and James Harden are in the lineup together, they are craaaaazy good. Their offense is nuts as always but the difference this year is that they have great defense too! Chris Paul has always been good, but you throw in PJ Tucker, Mbah a Moute, Trevor Ariza... they have capable wing defenders! And then Clint Capela is doing a fantastic defensive job as well as Chris Paul turning him into DeAndre Jordan Mk. 2 on the offensive end. And they stilll have Eric Gordon. The Rockets are a legit team, and Harden is absolutely the front runner for MVP. It sucks for LeBron, because as said before he's playing elite basketball, but for me it has to be Harden so far this year.

EDIT: To go along with what Rhee was saying, I definitely still favor the Warriors in a 7-game series over the Rockets. They probably take 6 or 7 games to close it out, but they do it. And then we get Warriors vs. Cavs for the fourth year in a row lol
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Old 12-23-2017, 05:12 PM   #78
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>Celtics

He ruled out returning this year awhile ago, so sadly we won't get to see the Celtics at full power this season. That said, I still think the Celtics can really give the Cavs a run for their money. I just don't think that it'll be enough. Like you said LeBron is somehow playing some of the best basketball of his career, and Isaiah Thomas isn't even back yet. He's targeting a return by the beginning of April, I heard. That gives him about a few weeks to shake off the rust before the playoffs start, and I'd be hella scared of the Cavs in the playoffs. I think the Celtics take them to 7 games in the ECF, but ultimately Cavs go to the Finals again.
So, while the team ruled out a Hayward return this season, the rehab process has been going really well for him! (boot's been off for a couple of weeks), and he's actually said that he's open to a return if he's feeling good! I 100% do not want to rush him, but he's such a trooper, I wouldn't rule out a return altogether.

Isaiah's tweet about returning in April was a joke I think lol

He's targeting the first week of January, last I checked (which, for some unknown reason, is also the next Cavs Celtics matchup? how strange???)
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Old 12-23-2017, 05:16 PM   #79
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Isaiah's tweet about returning in April was a joke I think lol

He's targeting the first week of January, last I checked (which, for some unknown reason, is also the next Cavs Celtics matchup? how strange???)
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I'm being fair to the Rockets because like I said, the NBA's perception has been massively deformed by Golden State's level of play. A lot of analysts and fans are subconsciously hyping up the Rockets/Cavs/Celtics beyond the gains they've made in the offseason because the season narrative desperately needs some kind of challenge.

I've heard the most recent offseason compared to "when Napoleon walked Europe", with the teams scrambling to try and assemble some kind of super team to challenge a never-before-seen threat level. It would be hugely anti-climactic to have that repeat 2016-2017.

I also chalk it up to some people not paying attention. If you haven't been following Golden State's games, you'd assume that the 26-6 record is due to the super death squad or MAYBE one All-Star sitting out. But it's been mostly the Warriors bench, due to the multiple injuries and the team's conservative nature toward them, and you already know from last year's playoffs what the final five can do.

The best way to evalute the Rocket's overall success - because they're a team - is their W/L and strength of schedule, not the individual lines of their All-Stars. Because in terms of pure numbers, 4 is greater than 2 or 3. And what I see, is the Warriors/Rockets have comparable records with the Rockets at full strength and GSW using their bench.

This isn't about Golden State "coasting" either, since that implies the All-Stars are underperforming but still winning. This is the bench playing at a high level, the All-Stars except Klay aren't even playing.

Also, this is the first place I heard Okafor was traded. Going to the Nets is funny.
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