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Discovering Star Trek
It seems like Zora has successfully sparked a new generation's interest in Star Trek. I didn't want to keep the OT going on in the What Movies Have You Seen Recently thread, so I figured I should post a different thread for those of us who wanted to keep talking Star Trek.
Jeri seemed very moved by "The Inner Light," one of TNG's most famously touching episodes. As a stalwart fan of DS9, I thought it'd be only proper to show him what DS9 has to offer him: "The Visitor" (click here) is a tearjerker story of a father and son. Much like "The Inner Light," this is an episode which doesn't really require any prior familiarity with the main characters of the TV show, so give it a look, Jeri & Others. Probably the best way to sum up this episode is this exchange between two of the characters: "I'm not sure I could ever get over losing somebody like that ... right in front of my eyes." "People do. Time passes, and they realize that the person they lost is really gone. And they heal." "Is that what happened to you?" "No. I suppose not."
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I've been raised a Trekkie but being born after the cancellation of Next Gen, I haven't seen all of the series. I also only saw DS9 in passing (I was too young to remember plot points but did see a good bit of the series). However, I was quite familiar with Voyager and watched Enterprise during its original run.
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Sounds like Zora and I have some more episodes to recommend to you, then. Do me a favor and watch "The Visitor" first. I'd be interested to think how you feel it compares with "The Inner Light." Someone writes on Youtube of it:
"my fav episode - the first time I watched it I cried every single time Ben appeared" He appears, like, five times in this episode. I hope that tells you how moving a lot of people found this episode to be.
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08-18-2010, 10:27 PM | #4 |
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My next favorite episode after the inner light has to be "Sarek" from TNG. Patrick Stewart's performance during the mind meld scene is nothing short of a masterpiece. One of the best dramatic scenes in all of television history, IMO.
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DS9 - "Statistical Probabilities" - see this link for more info
I just watched this episode the other night for the first time in years. While its plot quality ranks squarely in the middle ground, neither great nor awful, the acting performances of the Institute patients -- especially Jack and Patrick -- are just phenomenally spot-on. Jack is especially interesting as he's a hybrid of many different psychiatric disorders, and yet the actor brings the character to life perfectly -- his performance brings out the quirks I'd expect to see in such a hybrid and omits the quirks I'd expect hybridization to quiet down or eliminate altogether.
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That's a stupid question.
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I didn't remember your reference, Zora, when first I read it. So I just bit my tongue, wondering "What the hell is he talking about?" lol Your Star Trek memory is far sharper than mine. That, or you've seen "Chrysalis" more recently than I had: the last time I'd seen it before last night would have been circa 2002. (Has it really been eight years!?)
Well, I saw "Chrysalis" the other night and was obviously blown away by the powerful sentimentality of the singing scene. I figured I'd share it here: DS9 - "Chrysalis" - Do Re Mi But while I'm at it, I figured I'd share some other classic scenes as well. The DS9 ones are from episodes I've seen very recently. The TNG ones and the one VOY one are just things Youtube recommended and which I thought would be totally worth it to share with the next generation of Star Trek fans reading this thread: =Worf really does have the best lines= DS9 - "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" - Death to the opposition! DS9 - "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" - Find him and kill him! TNG - "Qpid" - I am NOT a Merry Man! TNG - "Qpid" - Worf dislikes Geordi's music TNG - "Phantasms" - Data asks Worf to look after Spot =Data's Poem= TNG - Ode to Spot =Voyager may have sucked, but Robert Picardo is amazing= VOY - the EMH and Seven of Nine sing "You Are My Sunshine"
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Saw First Contact today. The only other Star Trek I've seen was the new JJ Abrams movie.
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Spoiler: show That stated, it is one of the best Star Trek movies out there. (What does that tell you about Star Trek movies in general? -.-;; ) I mean, I own it, and the only other Star Trek movie I own is Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country. It's not like I go out and buy everything with the Star Trek name on it. First Contact was worth buying, as a Star Trek fan, to have in my collection. But a supreme story it is not. At least, not any more. Not in this fan's opinion. The jokes get old fast. As do Jonathan Frakes and emotion chip Data.
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How could I forget this!? Check out Red Letter Media's review of First Contact. He does a far more professional, precise, and entertaining critique of FC than I did. It's a must-see for anyone who's enjoyed this film.
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After watching another two episodes of Star Trek Voyager earlier (Flesh and Blood two-parter), I realise I’ve now watched every single episode of a Star Trek series I’m not including “Threshold” on that list though, since the writing was apparently so bad it was written out of continuity in future episodes. What I can say for Voyager though, is despite some of its poor casting I really liked how familial the crew where, and how defenceless they felt at times being the only Federation ship in the Delta Quadrant. There where some really awful characters, I found Chakotay and Harry Kim episodes unwatchable at times – but Seven and the EMH more than made up for that in my opinion. Looking back though I can’t help wondering if Tuvok was purged out of existence in the new timeline ;;
So this brings me onto my main reasoning for reviving this old thread, could anyone recommend a series to fill void? The original series and Enterprise are probably out of the question. I find the poor makeup and special effects pretty unwatchable in the former, and it just feels like they’re holding back in Enterprise. I love the The Next Gen cast, having watched 3 out of 4 of the TNG movies and some of the better episodes like “The Inner Light”. I’ve seen a lot of praise surrounding the Borg two-parter where Picard gets assimilated. I was thinking of shoehorning myself in with some of the better episodes and watching from a certain series onward. I’ve been saving myself from watching any DS9, hearing that’s one of the best series of them all. It’s weird, I always found that one the most uninteresting when I was younger. To be honest, after recently watching Nemesis just a day after JJ’s trek I wholeheartedly think the reboot was the best thing that could've happened to Star Trek, and I’ll be really stoked to hear more about the sequel slated for 2012. The old era of Star Trek just wasn’t made for the 21st century, as proven by Nemesis and Enterprise. I did find Shinzon a more interesting villain than Nero though. I never got how his oil mining ship was able to destroy an entire fleet of vessels. Even if it was from over 100 years in the future, it’s still a mining ship. Besides that, I love how action packed it was for a trek film, and Quinto as Spock was awesome.
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You haven't mentioned DS9. If you didn't watch it, go watch it. It's my favorite Star Trek for sure.
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From the beginning? Are there any particularly decent standalone eps you'd recommend? Looks like I'll have to torrent all of the eps, it's a real shame the only series that still air on UK TV are Voyager and Enterprise >>;
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Unlike TNG, DS9 is something you have to watch all of because it has a huge story arc. That's why I like it more than the other Star Treks. These days I find it hard to get into shows with "every episode is a random thing" like Star Trek or Dr. Who (although I do watch Dr. Who it's just not the most amazing thing ever to me).
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DS9 is probably my favourite series. Watching Abrams' film a few years ago rekindled my interest in the franchise (having spent years watching Voyager/DS9 after school), and I promply came home and downloaded all of DS9. It was great, but like Kuno said you have to watch it all the way through due to the huge storyline nature of it, particularly the later series with the War.
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1st place: Deep Space Nine 2nd place: The Next Generation . . . . . 3rd place: The Original Series . . . 4th place: Enterprise? 5th place: Voyager? As for more details ... Not a spoiler. Just using tag to condense long post. Spoiler: show
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Agreeing with Talon. DS9 really grows the beard around Season 4. The first three are good, but once the Dominion come in shit gets real.
Dukat is probably one of my favourite antagonists of any form of media. Ever. Also I like Voyager, but then again I actually need to sit down and watch all of TNG. Never really watched TOS and didn't overly like Enterprise. Voyager's alright, but as I've said several times in TO I can condense the plot of about 75% of its episodes into one paragraph. |
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Ugh. I don't consider DS9 my least favorite Star Trek series, but I do have an animosity towards it because of how Paramount likely stole ideas from Babylon 5, which is in my opinion an overall better series.
While DS9 does have a big story plot, there's still a ton of "nothing happened" episodes that are merely minor character stories. It only really picks up around season 4, but I do suggest watching season 3 as well. |
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Courtesy of a friend on Twitter ...
Slashdot reports, "HD transfer of ST:TNG to arrive this year?" Slashdot's source here I don't own an HDTV. When I visit my parents, I don't really see much of a difference between the old TV signals and what I see on HD other than a marginal increase in sharpness of resolution. But I'm a weirdo in the weirdos' minority. For most people, this should be great news.
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Bump. Wanted to see how far you were in DS9, emp, and whether you were enjoying it or not. Are you through Season 1 yet?
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I'm 15 episodes into the first season. At the moment the wormhole plot has really slowed down and my feelings are mixed. I think it's fallen into the same trap as most other Star Trek series I've watched in that every episode seems to be about some forehead of the week alien concluding with a clichéd plot twist (a convicted alien criminal being discovered innocent etc). It's not as bad as Voyager on that front though, in that I feel like all the characters are getting some development. I want to see some of these series-long arcs you've all been talking about though. Frankly, some of these episodes are just fillers and/or suck. Onto characters, whilst I love Sisko, Dax, Quark and Odo, the rest of the main cast get on my nerves. Chief O'Brien was pretty much an uninteresting extra in TNG, why promote him to a regular in DS9? I cringe every time he rolls up his sleeves (making the 90's starfleet uniform look even more dated) and mentions the "Inertial dampers" or some other technobabble (which I've never seen such a high concentration of in any star trek series). Kira is whiney/annoying and doesn't have the sex appeal of Dax to make up for it. I thought I'd like Bashir, but his accent is kind of grating (coming from a british viewer) and he could never really fill the EMH's shoes - considering I hopped on this from VOY. I don't necessarily dislike Jake Sisko, but I can't help wondering why costume design outfitted a 14 year old boy in what looks like a toddler's onesie. Looking back at my critisisms, I think most of it could be applied to any Star Trek series in its first season. I guess I'm kind of tired of the 90's space drama, or maybe DS9 isn't for me. I'll carry on with my run though, I have a feeling it'll start to pick up but right now I can't get into it. Last edited by Emp; 10-02-2011 at 09:33 PM. |
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Season 1 is meh. (But DS9's meh makes other Star Trek's Season 1's look like super poopy meh by comparison. TNG Season 1 would kill to be as good as DS9 Season 1 was. And that's pretty sad. lol) Season 2 gets better but is still fillery / "alien of the week" kind of fare like you complained about. Things sort of kind of pick up in Season 3, but really you can only see this in hindsight, I think, because so much of the "things picking up" are whispers of the things that are yet to come, and to a vet those whispers are as loud as hollers but to you they're probably just going to be whispers that don't catch your attention or strike your fancy.
Make it to Season 4. Make it to the season opener to Season 4. Do that, and by the time you're there I think you'll be able to judge whether you've had enough or not. If you have, oh well. If you have not ... prepare for the four best Star Trek seasons ever. Admittedly, though, Trek is a pretty episodic franchise by and large. DS9 is the least so (much to Paramount's chagrin), but even DS9 was made so that people could supposedly tune in and watch any week and not be lost. So a lot of the writing is going to feel like Ray Bradbury-esque sci-fi short stories. You'll find that in TOS, you'll find it in TNG, you'll find it in DS9 and VOY and ENT. All Star Trek has writing like that. But the entire {spoiler} in DS9 is one epic arc, with various subplots throughout. Some other arcs you may have already reached, though I don't think so ... (spoiler tagged to condense) Spoiler: show Everyone has their own preferences, but if it helps you any, here's my list of characters. It's as of the series finale, but it's only of characters you've seen (meaning any newcomers are omitted from the list entirely). Garak >= Odo >= Sisko > O'Brien > Quark > Dukat > Dax = Bashir > Kira > Jake > Kai Winn Put another way, A-level: Garak, Odo, Sisko B-level: O'Brien, Quark, Dukat C-level: Dax, Bashir D-level: Kira, Jake F-level: Kai Winn But everyone has their own lists. My roommate in college said Riker was his favorite character in TNG but my dad would often joke with me when I was a kid that Riker was the waste-of-space character in TNG , so it just goes to show how different tastes can be. I'm sure someone here thinks Kira is the greatest and thinks O'Brien is infuriating, but anyway, yeah, this would probably be my list.
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They just added Star Trek Deep Space Nine to streaming on Netflix a few days ago. So if you want to speed through them without buying/renting/borrowing/swapping DVDs, you can stream it legally.
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