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Old 06-11-2013, 02:51 PM   #1
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Pikachu Smash Bros 4 (For Wii U and 3DS)

REMEMBER! It's for Wii U AND 3DS! SUPER IMPORTANT.

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Old 06-11-2013, 02:55 PM   #2
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Reposted from other thread, current list of confirmed characters is:

Mario
Bowser
Link
Samus
Donkey Kong
Pit
Fox
Pikachu
Kirby
Megaman (New!)
Villager (New!)
Wii Fit Trainer (New!)

Personally I don't think this can possibly be all the new characters in the game. You gotta have your token Pokemon-related new character in there after all. It's possible that characters could get cut again like Deo mentioned in the one interview with Sakurai so maybe that won't happen this time around.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:57 PM   #3
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Oh god no. I imagine that if the rumors about reducing the roster aren't true, this will be the game in which Sakurai finally rounds out some of the franchise line ups.

So I expect a new Metroid character, possibly a WarioWare character, and at least one new Pokémon, if not two.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:58 PM   #4
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I'm hoping for Metroid Ridley(total precedence for this) and Metroid. With Metroid's Final Smash turning it into Omega forme ala Bowser.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:59 PM   #5
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Replying to Jeri and Dave from the E3 thread:

http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Pitfall

The item already exists! It would be broken as hell if they implemented it into the character, though I'd say the shovel already does that.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:01 PM   #6
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I'm hoping for Metroid Ridley(total precedence for this) and Metroid. With Metroid's Final Smash turning it into Omega forme ala Bowser.
Metroid as a character? No way... wouldn't work! Ridley though? ALL OF MY YES.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:04 PM   #7
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Replying to Jeri and Dave from the E3 thread:

http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Pitfall

The item already exists! It would be broken as hell if they implemented it into the character, though I'd say the shovel already does that.
Yes, I know that, but I was thinking of it being incorporated like one of those Special Moves that summons up actual items that can drop.
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Metroid as a character? No way... wouldn't work! Ridley though? ALL OF MY YES.
It's not like it would be much of a leap either. Ridley was already a boss in SubSpace Embissary. It would be cool to see a Heavily Armored Pokey too, but damn that would be messy to animate.
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RE: Pitfall Seed - I just imagined him burying it and it then trapping the opponent. Kinda like Snake's mines but less damage-y, more trap-y.
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It's not like it would be much of a leap either. Ridley was already a boss in SubSpace Embissary. It would be cool to see a Heavily Armored Pokey too, but damn that would be messy to animate.
Nah, the Mother series is really good with two characters. As much as I love the series, it would be shoehorning to fit another in.
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Nah, the Mother series is really good with two characters. As much as I love the series, it would be shoehorning to fit another in.
We should probably add the antagonist from two Mother games(though Pokey was more minor in Earthbound) because who cares about Lucas. I like him but Ness is cooler.
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We should probably add the antagonist from two Mother games(though Pokey was more minor in Earthbound) because who cares about Lucas. I like him but Ness is cooler.
You need to play Mother 3 if you're saying that. Ness is a blank slate protagonist, Lucas actually has some story.

That said, I'd be okay with Evil Pokey, but not at the expense of Lucas. Evil Pokey could be a cool character.
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You need to play Mother 3 if you're saying that.
But I have. And yeah. I would prefer Kumatora over Lucas.
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But I have. And yeah. I would prefer Kumatora over Lucas.
tbh before Brawl came out I anticipated Kumatora over Lucas because she... yanno, actually fights.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:23 PM   #15
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Can I just say I love the opening of the Wii Fit Trainer's trailer though?

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because who cares about Lucas.
Blaze, I am disappoint
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Can I just say I love the opening of the Wii Fit Trainer's trailer though?

Wii Fit Trainer?
'Checks trailer'

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW.
She is my new main when this is released. FOREVER.
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Blaze, I am disappoint
You'll get used to this.

Hoping that Meta Knight is still in No one from Kirby should ever be axed.
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Sakurai is director. Kirby characters will never get axed.
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:14 PM   #21
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Jeri I hadn't noticed it before but I agree with you, I just can't get over the hula hoop recovery. Too funny.
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You'll get used to this.

Hoping that Meta Knight is still in No one from Kirby should ever be axed.
Meta Knight? Blaze... stop disappoint. Dedede must stay. Hail to the King baby!

also, STILL WATCHING THAT TRAILER OMG THE HILARITY.
I swear I can never be sad now, this trailer...

also also, oooh Bowsers been tweaked! Excuse to keep him as a main in SSB4 (alongside Wii Fit trainer? I hope so!
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Metaknight will stay, but he needs to be NERFED TO SHIT. He was banned from competitive play for a reason.
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Metaknight will stay, but he needs to be NERFED TO SHIT. He was banned from competitive play for a reason.
you know they let him back in competitively right?

also, at the same time, new chars look awesome, if a bit OP. I'm going to stay away from Mega Man simply from hearing all of the "i'm gonna main Mega Man" claims everywhere.
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I feel like doing some more detailed speculation:

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[QUOTE=Jerichi;462853]Moveset Speculation on Villager:

Ground:
Jab - Boxing Gloves - Pretty standard.
Tilt - Umbrella - Looks like it could be kinda weak and possibly punishable. Candidate for super armor though!
Up Tilt - Stick Wave - Interesting in the fact that it has a two-hitbox-chance animation. Might be a good spacer against aerial fighters???
Down Tilt - Weed Pull - Looks like the first of many disjointed hitbox moves from him, but it leaves him really vulnerable from the back. If it has aerial hitboxes on it, it might actually be an effective and unexpected anti-aerial.


Side Smash - Axe - Hard to say if this will be part of the Plant move or not, but I sorta hope it isn't; smashing someone with an axe would be awesome. Not to mention, it'd probably be a solid KO move and give him yet another disjointed hitbox move.
Up Smash - Fireworks - I imagine this will work a lot like Lucas's Up Smash though I think it'll be more damage oriented than knockback.
Down Smash - Shovel - Looking at it again, it seems like the two dig animation is forced every time, which is a much more Smash-like behavior. It reminds me a lot of the Link Down Smash, since it covers both sides one-at-a-time. The ability to bury is likely going to be really valuable, but it definitely looks high-risk-high reward, since the second half is easily punishable if missed.

Aerial:
Neutral A - Slingshot - I really doubt this will be a special move, especially since Sakurai jumped first, so it'll be interesting to see if it becomes an A-based projectile. Between Villager and Mega Man, I think we could be seeing A-based projectiles shaking up the metagame a little.
Up A - ???
Side A - Net - Pure speculation, since it was only shown in the FMV in the trailer. I'd imagine, though, that this'd be a sweetspot meteor smash sex kick, sorta like IC's front aerial.
Down A - ???

B - Item Catch - This is probably going to be some sort of game changer. This could effectively turn Villager into the best anti-projectile character and give him some really unique spacing options. It's basically a harder-to-punish, slightly less powerful Oil Panic, which is a huge selling point of G&W.
Side B - Bowling Ball - Looks like a good KO move and might make his aerial game. If it spikes, Villager could easily be a dominant in the air and on land.
Down B - Plant - Has the biggest potential to be Villager's weakest move and also his best; the planting animation takes up a ton of frames and the two axe chops required to knock it down take up even more. Very easily punishable. But! If the Tree has knockback and creates a temporary wall, it could also become ridiculously broken. The potential for teching and the Bring Your Own Wall Locking could make it extremely broken if you can manage to get it off.
Up B - Balloon Hat - This worries me a little bit. I think that this is a sign that Villager is going to have piss poor recovery. What little we've seen of this makes it look barely like a recovery move, meaning the only possible redeeming move is a tether recover from the Fishing Rod. It's likely to be easily breakable mid-move and might dedicated button spamming to get any height.

Dash - Sapling Drop - Looks like a funny move and a decent dash but I see potential for punishment frames from the drop on.

Grab - Fishing Rod - Again, pure speculation, but it makes sense. Tether grabs, though, are pretty generally a bad thing, since they're usually really easy to punish. On that alone, I'm gonna take a guess that his throwing game isn't going to be much to write home about.

Taunts:
Show a Bug/Fish
Perform an Emotion, based on your %
Shortened "I Paid Off My Loan!" Dance (also likely a victory pose)

Final Smash: A giant Tree grows in the middle of the field and a bunch of animal villagers rush around it. Also, fireworks, which are the real KOing factor, but the initial growing animation + villager rush serve to knock the foes into the fireworks to get KOs.

Weight: Mid-to-light, probably somewhere between Pikachu and Mario.

Overall potential: I think his potential hinges largely on how full his aerial game turns out to be and how good the Tree move is. Even with the two or three moves we've seen already, his aerial (and anti-aerial) game already has a pretty solid groundwork, but I'm a little worried about his recovery ability. I'm also a little concerned about his combo ability, since his attacks seem a little disjointed. With speculation aside, though, I'm sure he's going to be a go-to character for checking projectile-heavy characters, especially ones that rely on big-damage projectiles for KOs, like Samus.


Might do one for Mega Man and (maybe) Wii Fit Trainer, once I look at their moveset mechanics in a little more detail.
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