12-09-2012, 12:23 PM | #1 | |
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Star Trek: Into Darkness
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Promotional trailer for Japan (has extra bit at the end) Quote:
EDIT: Added the Japanese version. It shows at the end what is clearly an allusion to the end of Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan. Only time will tell whether it's a red herring or not.
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12-09-2012, 04:53 PM | #2 |
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I read some people saying that Abrams got too involved with his other projects and pretty much half-arsed this movie, which is sad given how successful the first was.
I'm really cheering for Khan being an ally and not a villain (forever). Things would be soooooo cool if Khan got to rule his planet but was loyal to the Federation.
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12-09-2012, 05:24 PM | #3 |
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Well, we aren't sure if it's Khan yet or not because of so many conflicting reports, but it's plausible that it is.
I'm really looking forward to this movie, and it's soundtrack. The last one was very, very well done and had an amazing score. I really hope these rumors of Abrams half assing this movie are false, because despite it lacking space scenery in the trailer, it looks stunning. Hope it turns out to be great. |
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One of my thoughts is that this guy is a made-for-Hollywood member of Section 31 and that he's come back in time to change history.
Another thought is the obvious "Could they seriously be pursuing the Khan angle again?", all the more so given that tease of a final scene at the end of the Japanese trailer. It could just be a red herring, it could also not be. Who knows. Writes one fansite, Quote:
One thing a lot of people are saying is that he's Gary Mitchell, a villain from TOS who has a personal beef with Kirk and perhaps Star Fleet at large for marooning him on a planet. The problem with the Mitchell character though is that he's like "half a Q", and if you know anything about Q, you know that that makes Mitchell way too powerful of a foe for even the most talented writers to properly handle the defeat of. (Indeed, Mitchell's defeat in the original episode he showed up in is pitiful: despite being someone who can make matter appear or disappear with a simple thought, he manages to find himself trapped in a makeshift grave because Kirk puts big boulders on top to seal it off. ¬_¬ Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. He couldn't just, y'know, imagine the boulders away or something.) So why are fans clinging to the Mitchell theory? Because Abrams let drop three names in some interview last year, of which Gary Mitchell's was one; and then in a later interview he admitted that one of the three names he had said in the interview was in fact the film's villain. So there's that to go off of. From what little we saw in the trailer, it could certainly be correct. But ... man would that be a bad choice of villain. "Captain McDreamy of the USS Enterbabyblueeyes vs. a demigod ... and the demigod loses!" Anyway, apparently the report that people point to in which Abrams admitted one of his three namedrops was indeed the villain ... has itself been rejected by various sources given a later press release from Paramount or Abrams (it's not clear to me which) in which they announced "The villain is not Mitchell." I think we won't know the full truth until the next trailer comes out or an information leak in between then and now. From what I've been reading, it sounds like Paramount wanted the villain to be Khan because:
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12-09-2012, 05:42 PM | #5 |
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I've seen Space Seed. I haven't seen The Wrath of Khan.
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I believe that the villain is Gary Mitchell, but that's just a (well substantiated and makes a lot of sense) rumour.
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12-10-2012, 12:42 AM | #7 |
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Benedict Cumberbatch is still skinny. Therefore he isn't Khan.
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12-10-2012, 01:03 AM | #8 |
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Trust me, I don't want it to be Khan. But I'd rather it not be Mitchell either. With Mitchell, I really worry that he won't feel like a believable demigod, an entity which has the intelligence and emotions of a human but the ability to consciously and deliberately sculpt reality with his mind. An area without any trees suddenly has trees because he wills trees to be there. An area without water suddenly has water because he wills water to flow forth. This happened in the series. Such a man can easily, and should easily, operate on the level, "I don't want that person to exist so *scrunch eyes* I am going to will him out of existence!" And if we want to argue for limited range for his powers, I am 100% cool with that, but like, we know he created things in the TOS episode that were within several feet of him, so all he has to do is get within several feet of any of his targets and *SCRUNCH!* he can imagine them out of existence and away they ought to go. Such a villain is far too powerful and so when a team of writers makes the inevitable choice to not portray him as using his power at full potential, it's going to just as inevitably make me and every other analytical mind in the theater groan with displeasure at being treated by Hollywood like we're cavemen too stupid to realize why the plot should never have gone in the direction it will have done.
But hey: I enjoy Abrams Trek 1 and I am willing to give Abrams Trek 2 an open-minded try even if it should be confirmed that the villain is Gary Mitchell and his powers are supposedly the same as what was shown in the TV series.
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Just looked the film's entry up on Wiki, and it says:
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I swear to god I'm the only person who has never watched TOS at all. I'm not even kidding, I've seen the films and that one episode of DS9 where they go back in time, but that's it. |
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Yeah, I saw that already earlier today. There's a site that came up when I was googling (the one the quote box o' text came from, in fact) which listed The Top 5 Reasons It's Khan and The Top 5 Reasons It's Mitchell, and they mentioned Urban's (McCoy's actor's) comment about how Cumberbatch will play a good Mitchell. But apparently antecedent to this comment of his, Paramount emphatically denied the villain would be Mitchell. You can probably find that if you look for it. That's why fans are so confused.
As for not seeing any TOS, honestly I don't think you're missing too much. It was good for its time but it's no TNG. Then again, I haven't seen anywhere near all of TOS myself, so I could be missing many of the greatest episodes. Except it's those very ones the fans call the greatest that I've mostly seen. ^^;
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Tone this guy down. That's way to ridiculous to put as a villain. "Gary Mitchell" is also the most innocuous name for a super-villain I've ever heard.
Kirk x Khan superfriend team-up! Actually with a character like that I know of a good solution to beating him, or at least it was featured in an anime I've watched recently.
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Dopple, please stop suggesting your Kirk x Khan
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Trailer from December 17, 2013
Trailer from March 21, 2013 Trailer from April 16, 2013 The newest two trailers have me more interested in the film than the first two/three did. But I'm still not that interested. -1 point for so much of the events taking place on Earth. -1 for so much of the film looking like a forgettable summer action blockbuster (just cram packed with fights, chases, and explosions). -1 for the idea that Kirk and his ragtag team of newbies could take down the überman that Benedict Cumberbatch's character appears to be. I dunno. I want to like it, so here's hoping it's really good.
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Edit: Just watched the trailer again. Came to the conclusion that it can't be lens flare. Then came to the conclusion its the same effect they use for beaming in the new films... Boo Edit2: Cumberbatch also says "You are a poor Kirk" So he's either referring to Jim's dad or the Kirk from the origional timeline. I'm guessing the latter, which gives this film some potential.
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It does look a bit forgettable.
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I saw it last night and I have to say, I enjoyed it just as much as the first one.
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I thought it was fairly heavy on fan service and low on plot or internal canonity.
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While cringeworthy, the Spock thing was actually ok in my book because it builds upon the character. I hate to say it but new!Spock is a better character than old!Spock ever was and it's only been two films.
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Yeah, old!Spock was flat to the point of being uninteresting. New!Spock has a little more depth to his character. It's not just "omg he's so alien how weird!!!!"; it sorta deals with the conflicting humanity/Vulcanness that he struggles with.
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Yeah, I mean the Vulcans are supposed to be more emotional than humans but to hold it in check so new!Spock is a much better realisation than most of the TOS era Vulcan stuff. Particularly as he's half human, which I feel they do well. So as I say the cringeworthy thing that they did with him is actually good. Making up for the rushed character development of Kirk that that scene was supposed to be doing.
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Oh I agree that it makes sense, it was just super cringey.
I've liked Spock's character dev, but that might be because a) I've only ever watched the films of TOS and none of the series and b) I can't help but see him partly as Sylar from Heroes bcos Zachary Quinto. Also the scene Spoiler: show |
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TOS... is worth watching if you want to become more of a trekkie and want to gain some context on certain things that happen in the TNG era series and some of Roddenberry's ideals. There are probably about a half dozen episodes that are just televisiual gold and should be watched regardless. And even if you're not a trek lover it's interesting to see them try to break stereotypes and stigma of the time e.g. Uhrura on the bridge. But it's very much a show from the 60s and there is a lot of stuff in it that is fairly shameful now. As with TNG of course.
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Spoiler: show Third (but unrelated to "the event" mentioned above, so I'm moving it out here), as far as stoic characters go, I would say that Roddenberry Spock was "out-Spocked" or outdone by both TNG's Data and by DS9's Odo. Both of these characters filled the Spock role in their respective series -- strange non-human crew member who is very tight-laced -- but, without writing up the essay on Spock, Data, and Odo, I'll just offer my personal conclusion that Data and Odo were far more entertaining and far more fascinating characters than Spock was. So like ... I don't see the benefit in trying to perfectly re-enact TOS Spock. Not only has he been done by Nimoy, but he's been outdone by Spiner and Auberjonois. This is why Abrams' departure from Roddenberry's Spock is so welcome. Abrams' Spock can dance with the best of 'em, given ample development onscreen. Writing this post makes me realize how much I would like for Paramount to use these two films as a springboard into an Abramsverse television series. Given the huge crossover these days between Hollywood and the television industry, I would even think the problem of casting the same actors as in the films to be a surmountable one. I would really, really love to see three to five seasons of "Abrams TOS", especially given the potential I see for Vulcan-Romulan interaction as noted above.
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