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Old 08-14-2014, 02:46 PM   #1
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Rotom Washing Up

Ok so my Italian housemate was aghast that I wash up in the way that I do, and given that he works in a restaurant, I'll take his word for it that we all do this.

Apparently the British wash up wrong. We generally wash stuff in a mix of warm/hot water and some kind of chemical soap i.e. Fairy liquid. We then usually leave stuff to dry/dry it immediately and put it away.

This is apparently an abomination against nature because everyone else does these steps but, before drying, washes again in only water. This is to avoid leaving chemical residue on your things and subsequently ingesting it.

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So is my housemate a crazy person or what?
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:49 PM   #2
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:50 PM   #3
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Hot water has always confused me. What's the point of using it? Maybe to help remove some dried grime, but for the fresh stuff cold is perfectly fine.
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:51 PM   #4
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Hehe. I remembered a conversation I had with my Grandma like two years ago where neither of us knew why we had a little sink next to the big sink. I now realise it's precisely so you can rinse away the soap.

Hot water a) harms bacteria (assuming it's actually hot) and b) is better at dissolving stuff. In the same way that a sugar cube dissolves faster in hot water compared to cold. GCSE chemistry/physics ftw.
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:54 PM   #5
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I use plain water, and I always wash off the soap. You Brits are weird... :P
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Old 08-14-2014, 03:00 PM   #6
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Hot water a) harms bacteria (assuming it's actually hot) and b) is better at dissolving stuff. In the same way that a sugar cube dissolves faster in hot water compared to cold. GCSE chemistry/physics ftw.
Here's the problem. Hot water doesn't kill bacteria, it has to be boiling to be sterile. While there certainly might be boiling water in your heater, most faucets dispense hot water which is a mix of cold and boiling water, creating something that isn't going to kill any bacteria on your plates, and isn't going to be sterile coming out of the pipes.

I use hot water for my showers, because it feels good, but otherwise I never use hot water for any other plumbing-related activities.
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Old 08-14-2014, 03:04 PM   #7
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There are people who don't wash off the soap? Huh?

Yeah hot water is mostly just for ease, since it dissolves stuff easier. Running hot water over something makes loosening and removing stuff a lot easier than cold water does. Physics and stuff. Never wash off tomato-based sauces with hot water, though. That causes stains. I also suggest using cold water for most things that can be cooked (raw egg, flour, etc), because otherwise you have hell.
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Old 08-14-2014, 03:19 PM   #8
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The way I tend to do it is to only place soap only the sponge. That way I get to dip cutlery, plates or whatever in the browned water and pretend I washed off soap that way. Me and my house-mates just leave the dishes in a drying rack, covered in soap or whatnot. I can understand that this wouldn't be sufficient for restaurants though.

EDIT: I'd say most Dutch would do it the same way you described it - not bothering with rinsing it in water.
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Old 08-14-2014, 03:31 PM   #9
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There is a reason why they say "wash, rinse, repeat," y'know ...

Yeah, your Italian friend is right. Step 0, situational, is to let the plate or pot soak in some water for 10-30 minutes to loosen up any hard residue. Step 1 is to wash it with warm water and soap. Step 2 is to rinse it off. (The water temperature doesn't really matter. Just get the soap off.) Step 3 is to let it dry. Step 4 is to put it away.

If you combine Steps 0 and 1 by letting the dinnerware soak in a stoppered-up sink of warm, soapy water (which is what most restaurants do), that's fine: but you then need a stoppered-up sink of clean water as well to get off the soap. And this sink should be periodically flushed as it becomes soapier and soapier.

One reason you have to do this in the food industry though is because of the harshness (and potential toxicity) of the cleaning agents used. For example, if bleach is used, you don't want to let the bleach air dry off of rubber, chrome, or other materials that it will affect. (I believe this is the same reason why you are advised against frequently treating your water tank with chemicals to kill off mold.) Although as I say this, if memory serves, we used to treat the rinse chamber (not the wash chamber) with a blue pellet that was anti-HIV. So I dunno. *shrug*
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Having worked as a dishwasher I feel I should correct the only oversight I see in this thread.

When washing dishes, always use hot soapy water as it helps dissolve crud faster. Then rinse off the soap, bleach, or anything else you might end up using with LUKE WARM water. Cold water can and will cause dishes, especially glasses to fracture or break due to the sudden change of temperature.
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Old 08-14-2014, 05:01 PM   #12
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Yes. You soak, you wash with soap, then rinse with cool water. And I use warm water while washing because cold water can get your hands really cold and can make the whole experience uncomfortable depending on the size of your load.

Hot water doesn't kill germs. Once boiling water touches a surface of lower temperature, it drops too quickly to actually kill any bacteria. Disinfection is mostly the task of the soap you are using. Warmth of the water is purely for possibly dissolving some foods (mostly grease) and not freezing your fingers.
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Hehe. I remembered a conversation I had with my Grandma like two years ago where neither of us knew why we had a little sink next to the big sink. I now realise it's precisely so you can rinse away the soap.

Hot water a) harms bacteria (assuming it's actually hot) and b) is better at dissolving stuff. In the same way that a sugar cube dissolves faster in hot water compared to cold. GCSE chemistry/physics ftw.
Why do you wash your things in a sink? Assuming that things are... things.

also yeah wash your things.
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