06-18-2014, 03:03 PM | #1 |
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Pokémon XY
Ash arrives in the Kalos region where he meets Professor Sycamore and learns about a mysterious new evolution called Mega Evolution. As he adventures across Kalos challenging trainers, earning gym badges, and learning more about Mega Evolution, Ash is joined on his quest by the young inventor Clemont, his little sister Bonnie, and a girl named Serena who has had a crush on Ash since childhood. Pokémon XY is an amalgam of different properties from past series. In the tradition of older series, Team Rocket have returned to their comic relief antics; but in keeping with the traditions of Best Wishes, the trio aren't always quite so silly and they don't show up in every single episode either. One huge departure from Best Wishes is Ash's team size: whereas in Best Wishes it grew as big as ten Pokémon by the end and had achieved a size of six within only the first ten or so episodes, thirty episodes into XY and Ash still only has three Pokémon on his team, of which one is his trusty partner Pikachu. Fillers are back (or rather have been since Decolora Adventure at the end of the BW saga) but are typically pretty good episodes in their own right. You'll have to watch it for yourself to see whether you like it more than or less than past series you've seen before. |
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Click on the links below to read our posts on episodes not found in this thread. Note that posts are provided in chronological order per episode but are not in overall chronological order. (Example: Talon87's post about Episode 007 was written before Talon87's post about Episode 001.)
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06-18-2014, 03:35 PM | #3 |
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I’m so done with the Pokémon anime and its repetitive, commercial, one-dimensional formula. With Ash no closer to becoming a Pokémon master now than he was in 1997 I just don’t see the point in investing my hopes - and more importantly - my time in it. It’s clear that Ash will never achieve is goal because the series will never come to an end. A fresh audience will be introduced to the anime at the start of each generation, so they don’t really have to worry that the same Pikachu that beat a Regice and drew with a Latios lost to the first gym leader’s Panpour. Older fans will notice and whine and complain but it’s clear that they’re not catering to that audience.
Don’t get me wrong, if you want a cartoon with a semi-engaging storyn but no progression (like Scooby Doo or the Flintstones) then the Pokémon anime is just for you. I just can’t handle the false pretence that Ash’s journey is actually going anywhere. It’s been around for the majority of my life and he still hasn’t defeated a single elite four member (they’re always implied to be leagues ahead of him) or even reached the top 2 in a Pokémon League. These feats are all easily achievable in the games, do they really think that it would ruin the show if he actually did win the Sinnoh league, beat the elite four and then lost to Cynthia? The executives are so adamant on making the show last forever that what they’re doing is detrimental to its quality. I wouldn’t pick this many flaws with any other kids show but I just don’t see how watching the anime should even be considered part of the package for an adult Pokémon fan. I also hate the fact that I (like many other people my age) invested a lot of time into Ash’s journey for no reward.
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Also Ash really hardcore sucks at Pokémon battling.
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06-18-2014, 04:13 PM | #5 |
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Ash may actually be the worst pokémon trainer in existence.
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06-18-2014, 05:01 PM | #6 |
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I don't think he's the worst, but a ten-year old with no access to the internet, Smogon nor any real sense of battling meta existing in the Pokemon universe is prodding around just like any child could be expected to.
That said, Ash consistently ignores the real bounty of the universe he lives in, the smoking hot females who want to ride him Rapidash style. Someone should make a Pokemon-style H game!
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06-19-2014, 01:28 PM | #7 |
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I'm sure everyone has said this, but the Pokemon anime would be much better if they just let Satoshi grow, and start a new series with a different trainer. The main reason I didn't touch Pokemon for the longest was because of how silly his lack of growth seemed.
I started Best Wishes for a silly reason, but I ended up enjoying the hell out of it. The repetitive Team Rocket bullshit was gone, and there was just so much personality in the show. Most of the characters weren't one episode characters, and appeared fairly often. After getting into it, I just stuck with Pokemon to where it currently is, and admittedly am a bit disappointed. It's still entertaining enough for me to watch though. That said, thoughts on the latest two XY episodes: 31 Spoiler: show 32 Spoiler: show |
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XY030: Spoiler: show Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction: Diancie is too cute. I don't think I've seen any movies later than the ninth. This, the seventeenth, will be the first Pokémon movie I look forward to checking out in years. Pokémon movies tend to be pretty sappy-silly but Dianciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie.
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06-19-2014, 04:56 PM | #10 |
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I've edited the second post in the thread to now include links to our discussion posts that I found by searching the Suggestion Box for instances of the word "Pokémon". If you wrote a post about an episode between XY011 and XY032, inclusive, that has been skipped over and you would like included in the list of linked posts, please contact me either via PM or via this thread. As for Episodes XY001 thru XY010, I'll try to get those included later tonight, tomorrow, whenever. It was a surprising amount of effort to get 011 thru 030 done, especially since -- much to my surprise -- I didn't have banner pics for many of the episodes. For those episodes, I went to Bulbapedia and lazily used their own choice image for the episode's article. (But man if Bulba's editors don't have poor taste for which pictures would be the best non-spoiler representations of the episodes. :\ They should take a page out of my book or PocketMonsters' book! :p)
Looking back at the older episodes, I was surprised by just how many of them were lower-quality fillers. Honestly, week by week XY hasn't felt like that poor of a series, but looking back at the first thirty episodes I can see how this would not be an anime that most of you would be interested in giving a second shot. However! Say you are somewhat curious about which episodes keep us talking each week. Say you want to watch just one or two of the best episodes XY has to offer so far. Well, while these opinions are only my own, the top three episodes I could find when going back through the Suggestion Box for our old posts were Episodes 014, 018, and 027. (You can find links to our posts about these episodes above, in the second post in this thread.) Tastes vary and you might feel like some of the other episodes are better than these, but these I think are my top three picks out of the latest twenty episodes that I've seen. XY014 is a haunted house episode in which the children meet an Espurr. It's my personal favorite of the XY series, for reasons that I think adult viewers are especially likely to appreciate. XY018 is the episode where the kids visit Parfum Palace. It's a comedic episode with a tsundere princess. Lots of laughs and lots of d'awws were had. XY027 is an episode where Eureka must help a Flabébé get back to its rightful trainer even though she really wants to keep it for herself. Even though its message is intended for very young children, adults in the audience will be able to appreciate the presentation. Give this one a pass if you don't want to watch any episodes meant for children ages 3 to 8 but give it a look if you're curious to see one of the best episodes XY has to offer for that demographic. That stated, some of the best moments XY has to offer are found in the opening coeur of the series, so if you really want my advice, I'd say to start off with XY001 and watch through XY005. (And be sure to watch the Pocket Monsters subs if you do decide to watch but need reading assistance! There was a rewrite-fansubber at the start of the series who released poor subs of the first five episodes; and because he was one of the first past the post, these poor subs of his are unfortunately in circulation. They got a lot of subtleties wrong that can impact how you perceive the characters. Not good!)
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I second Suigin's episode recommendations. In a series full of blanks, those three stood out most to me.
My biggest disappointment for XY would be how little Serena was explored. She had so much potential, but she had no development. Not only that, but her episodes have sucked. Also, yes, anime Diancie is really cute. |
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From what I know of ShoPro, they're not going to have Ash fall in love. Much as I wish they would. Much as I would love for them to prove me wrong. And to be fair, they totally, totally have proven me wrong in equally large ways before! Let's not forget that Unova saw Ash and Giovanni finally meeting face to face. I mean, that was pretty huge. That ranks right on up there with "we meet Ash's dad," "Ash wins a league tournament," and "Pikachu evolves." So if the writers as recently as a year and a half ago were willing to give us that, then sure, maybe they'd also be willing to evolve Ash from prepubescent boy to pubescent young teenager. But I really, really doubt that they're going to do this. And sooooooooooooooo ... That leaves us with only one question remaining: will the writers give Serena something else to do besides hoping to be the future Mrs. Ash Ketchum or won't they? I'm pretty sure that they will. In fact, I've enjoyed the refreshing exploration of career possibilities that Serena has represented. Far too often, characters in the Pokémon universe either already know what they want to be when they grow up or else they find out fairly quickly. On rare occasion, a character will take a single sharp detour in their life (e.g. Brock), but even then these detours are singular and purposeful. Let's list off some characters who knew what they wanted to be before we met them and who have yet to change their minds: Ash (Pokémon Master), Misty (Water Pokémon Master), Iris (Dragon Master), Dent (top-grade Sommelier), Cabernet (top-grade Sommelier), Langley ( Of course, Serena could envision herself being a humble housewife of the future Indigo League Champion ... but for the writers to justify Serena's career ambitions as professional housewife, they're going to half to open up to writing a love story between her and Ash. And I think that's so much less likely than them giving her a career goal that I think we'll see a career goal emerge at some point in the next twenty to fifty episodes. Until then, Serena will continue to be a beautiful barnacle.
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The problem with Serena is she's under a magic spell that reduced her to 10 years old from her real age of 16. Remove that, the hormones start to flow and she'll be far more aggressive toward Ash.
Man though, you had to remind me about Brock. What a cop-out. Changing his dream went hand-in-hand with the de-emphasis on Pokemon Breeding in the game. Also, is it just me, or is the fact that the Kalos Champion's signature Pokemon being a female Gardevoir some type of fanservice?
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Woah, active thread on the current Pokemon anime. Yes
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These scenes in the opening tie into episode 28 a lot, so their presence makes more sense if you keep that in mind. |
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Accroding to Bulapedia, episode 24 will still air, but just outside of Japan.
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So yeah, I don't think you can count on the episode airing any time soon (if ever). Historically the Japanese haven't been fond of letting us get to see episodes that they chose to ban because of Japan-only reasons. (The Whiscash episode and the originally-planned Unova two-part showdown between Team Rocket and Team Plasma are two good examples of this.) Western fans got excited about the Skrelp episode because they wanted to assume Cartoon Network's mentioning the episode's English title meant that they were planning to air it anyway ... but seeing as the network quickly retracted the title and replaced it with the title of the next episode in line, it seems like they just messed up and that someone quickly brought their error to their attention and they corrected it.
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That's good because I never want to see Dragalge again.
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I previously discussed this -- spoiler tagged, too, because I don't think the English language dub is this far in the series yet and I know that many viewers who prefer to watch with the dub take their "it already aired in Japan and so people are talking about it outside of spoiler tags like that's an okay thing to do"-spoilers seriously. I figure that once it's aired in America it's fair game given how low the interest is on UPN in the Pokémon anime, but until it airs there I tend to at least try to tag things. I might forget here or there but yeah. Already discussed up above. ^^;
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Ah, I must have missed it. Also yeah spoilers. Whoops
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Like every other fan wiki, the fact that anyone and everyone can edit the site obviously leads to a lot of inaccuracies and misinformation all over the place, but their biggest problem is that many of the people running the place just plain don't know what they're doing. That's how nonsense like this ends up getting reported as fact - there's no one filtering what their various writers report to prevent crap like this slipping through the cracks, and no one there appear to have the journalistic integrity to properly retract articles, or even look into the matter when it's pointed out what they report isn't correct. |
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Your complaints with Bulbapedia give way to a large (albeit off-topic) discussion about the state of journalism in greater modern society. Without going too deep down the rabbit hole here, I'll just say something which your post above indicates you probably already know: modern journalism suffers for the felt need to be among the first ones out with the story. Speedy misreporting followed by later retractions as necessary trumps cautiously waiting to publish stories until they have been verified.* I'm not a journalist by trade or hobby, but if this is a topic you feel passionately about, please do feel encouraged to make a thread for it. I'm sure people would love to discuss it with you, though you'll likely find little more than a lot of agreement here.
EDIT: Just so there's no confusion, the line with the asterisk at the end of it isn't my personal opinion: it's an expansion upon the line which precedes it, and reflects what I believe the industry to believe. I myself have the opposite belief of the asterisked line.
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It's a topic I care about, but not one I really feel I have all that much to say about.. because honestly, what is there to say? When articles can be published the second they're done, Internet journalists need to write and publish fast if they want their hits, otherwise the audience will just flock to their faster competition. It's a terrible trend, but there's not much to discuss about it beyond just sitting in a circle and nodding in agreement.
(Though as I said, Bulbapedia's main issue is that it's a non-profit fansite with a gigantic staff mostly made up of people who offered to help rather than people those who run the ship bothered verifying were qualified to help) But yeah, we're getting a bit off-topic here. |
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If such a thread is created I will also be interested in complain in bitterly about how terrible journalism and 'pedias have gotten.
Back on topic, how are people finding the dynamic of having three supporting characters again? |
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