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11-24-2013, 04:53 PM
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I'll be on for a while if anyone cares. redpanda15 as always. Doing some trial and error teambuilding.
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11-25-2013, 06:01 PM
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Hax is a very fickle beast. Sometimes it causes you to rage and nearly be swept by a Heatmor...and other times it causes you to come back with a paralyzed Ivysaur.
And as promised, never speaking bad of hax again. Spoiler: show
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11-27-2013, 12:51 PM
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Getting married! :D
 
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That was an hilarious match. And I still didn't get to try out my BD Slurpuff XD
/me is online on PS
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11-27-2013, 03:41 PM
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And kitties :3
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11-27-2013, 06:01 PM
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I'm on PS as Yukkin if anyone wants to have a Gen 6 match.
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11-27-2013, 06:10 PM
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>Furfrou
>Meowstic >Klefki >Aurorus I love you forever.
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11-27-2013, 07:09 PM
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Getting married! :D
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Yay, I managed to sweep with Derpy the Belly Drum Slurpuff
 Blaze, thanks for the suggestion of using Wish, that move really helped me pull it off. /off to bed now
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11-27-2013, 07:23 PM
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Dance till you're dead~
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
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So, I just found out the hard way that I am an idiot.
And that FURBULOUS~ Although Tank as all hell, can't do sod all damage. And that I should never let Vivillon get 4 QDs in like a dumbass because 'I'm sure to wake up' :P
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11-28-2013, 08:34 AM
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Getting married! :D
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Btw Blaze, going over the list of allowed Gen 6 mon, I was wondering why Doublade is not allowed.
i know it has a monstrous Defense stat and good attack, but it's slow as fuck and can't take a special hit at all. And looking at the tier we have, we have Pokémon that are faster, hit harder, have equal boosting options, have access to priority, and have more (special) bulk. On top of that its ability is harming it more than helping it, because Doublade has no moves that can really abuse No Guard (it's least accurate move is Metal Sound at 85%) and it guarantees every Fire Blast will hit it. So yeah, I was wondering why Doublade isn't allowed. I think we should give it a chance and see how it works. Much like how we should probably suspect Diggersby, even though I really like it, it just sweeps a tad too easily.
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11-28-2013, 08:40 AM
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Allowing Doublade for me would be like allowing Rhydon. It's not going to happen. Doublade can really easily sweep in this tier.
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11-28-2013, 09:02 AM
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Getting married! :D
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I don't think it will sweep all that easily. It's too frail on the special side and too slow to boot. And much less bulk than Rhydon due to having like only half the HP stat making Eviolite much less effective on Doublade than it will be on Rhydon should you want to use it. And while Rhydon has helpful abilities, Doublade's hurt it more.
But just in general, I think mons like that deserve a chance too. I mean, it is mostly based on what you think, possibly with a few other (I don't really know how this meta came into existence and who "run" it). But while some mons are obviously broken for what we have here, some others are pretty much in a grey area and I think those should just be tried out. Maybe put them up for testing before officially deciding to allow them or not. And imho us interested player should have a vote in that too  /my 2 cents
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11-28-2013, 09:04 AM
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If you want to test it out, go ahead. I can literally make the same argument for Rhydon but if you think it will be balanced then you are free to try it out.
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11-28-2013, 09:10 AM
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Getting married! :D
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I can see your arguments for Rhydon mind you, but I think Doublade is worse than Rhydon, so it might work. And Honedge itself just flat out sucks in this meta as it lacks in everything but defense. So I figured Doublade might hang somewhere in between.
But I'll build a team with it later today and test it than  Edit: And I have one now ^^
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11-28-2013, 11:21 AM
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head head bitch
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I'll be on for a half hour if anyone's interested.
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11-30-2013, 10:12 AM
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The Aftermath
So, I've decided to write this post because several significant changes happened within the FF metagame over the past few months, and we have had some time to adjust to those changes.
The first of these changes was the AlderBlaze proposal. We allow Snow Cloak in the tier, but we do not allow it to be used with Snow Warning. The results were mixed, with at least two people wanting it banned completely and free people wanting it with no limitations, but in the end the two abilities were given the no coexistence clause. So, I ask this question onto you: Was the Snow Cloak limitation significant? Did it change the metagame enough to where it was justified? How has it affected a Pokemon(s) viability? The second significant change to happen is in fact a generation change. With the change to Gen VI, often called the balancing generation, a lot of changes have rocked our little metagame, some of them completely defining and others left rather by the wayside. I'm curious to learn what your opinions are, so, I am going to ask these two questions: What change do you think impacted the tier the most? What do you think the most powerful Pokemon introduced in Gen VI is? Now, the next two questions are rather policy based, but they have some backing. I can explain more later, but these questions have been rattling in my head. Would you still play the metagame as it was in Gen V? In the first iteration of FF, there was no Team Preview. I forget why but that was the case. Because of this, if we could of course, would you want Team Preview or rather see it gone? |
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11-30-2013, 07:29 PM
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So it appears no one wants to answer my question.
 So I'll do it so you can see my opinions on the matter. Was the Snow Cloak limitation significant? Did it change the metagame enough to where it was justified? How has it affected a Pokemon(s) viability? Was Snow Cloak significant in the first place? I'd definitely would say so considering the reactions of people who played. Snow Cloak Glaceon would tear through offensive teams while surviving odd attacks(I have one on record for surviving a Adamant LO Superpower from my Beartic.) Snow Cloak Piloswine could break down teams while having extra protection from Will-o-Wisp. And Beartic...well we mainly used Beartic on rain teams. But did it change the metagame? That's a pretty difficult question to answer, but I can definitely say that hail teams and Glaceon dropped in usage for a bit, though that could also be attributed to the coming of Gen VI and the hype around that. Piloswine was still used a lot though for his other assets. The hit to Hail teams was significant enough that I felt that the ban at least changed the metagame to a point where it was somewhat justified in that aspect. But did it make some Pokemon less usable. Well for one, it didn't for Piloswine as every team under the sun(and out of it too!) still used him for his amazing wallbreaking potential and his ability in Thick Fat. Glaceon was less used, though many people probably still think that using Blizzard is best, when one can use a defensive tank or a LO tank(my favorite set). Beartic is mainly used on Rain teams so he wasn't effected. What change do you think impacted the tier the most? Let's face it, there was quite a few changes this Generation: the nerfing of moves such as Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, and Thunderbolt; the introduction of the Fairy-type; changes to the type chart. But in our little metagame, I believe that the change that was most important was the nerf to weather. Don't get me wrong, it was very easy and quite possible to run a weatherless team before the nerf, in fact, some of my best teams were weatherless teams. But weather teams were easier to build and often had traits that were difficult to find in other teams. The nerf to weather has made these teams a lot harder to use. Sun becomes a lot harder to keep up with Vulpix not having enough bulk, Sand has bulk in Hippopotas but he has difficulties doing much, and ironically enough Hail had gotten a second Snow Warning Pokemon, but it comes with a crippling 4x weakness to Fighting and Steel. It made Rain more viable simply because perma-weather didn't exist anymore. This has really changed the tier, more than anything else. What do you think the most powerful Pokemon introduced in Gen VI is? Although I hate the thing with a passion, the obvious choice here is the mighty Diggersby. A Huge Power user who can rumble with the best of them. He's maybe slow and has a rather poor typing that can be exploited by any number of fast Grass, Water, and Ice types, but offensively its near unbeatable. Steel and Rock types can't switch in. In fact, there is only one Pokemon who can be considered a reliable counter to Diggersby, and that's Misdreavus. Any number of Pokemon can check him, but very few can counter him, and that is pretty significant. Even with his massive MUSCLE, he still faces competition with Piloswine for a team slot, as arguably he has better typing and can really dent things with an Ice STAB. Klefki is a great runner-up, with fantastic typing and an incredible support movepool that makes heads spin. Its weakness to Fire and Ground attacks isn't good, however, and the lack of Taunt means other Prankster users can really screw it up. Plus, its not good offensively, meaning it has a hard time dealing damage. Still a great Pokemon though, and one I'm watching closely. The other two questions I'm not answering at the moment. :P |
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12-01-2013, 06:29 PM
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Getting married! :D
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/wanted to post earlier but lost post before I posted it and bleh... T_T
Was the Snow Cloak limitation significant? Did it change the metagame enough to where it was justified? How has it affected a Pokemon(s) viability? To the first part, yes Snow Cloak was significant. It really was beyond annoying in hail teams, especially on Glaceon. And the limitations on it did have an noticeable effect. Glaceon lost some usability and hail became less used too. For Pilo I think the Thick Fat + Eviolite combi beats any Snow Cloak set any day of the week anyway and thus the limitations didn't effect him at all. I never really used Beartic myself so can't really tell but I think I agree with Blaze on him. What change do you think impacted the tier the most? The weather nerf hands down. No more perma weather really crippled the weather setters and weather abusers have to play more offensively to make best use of the few rounds they have till the weather ends. And players have to be a lot more careful with their weather setters too as even if you kill the opponents one, you still need it to keep your weather up or else the opponent can just stall out the weather to make you loose your advantage. And Rain now really is on equal footing with the other weather, no longer suffering from the lack of an auto-perma-weather-setter. What do you think the most powerful Pokemon introduced in Gen VI is? As much as I like the mons, Blaze is totally right in his assessment. Not that they should be outright banned might you, but they should be one of the first to be up for suspect. Would you still play the metagame as it was in Gen V? Not really sure what you mean here, but if you mean if I would still play if everything was left the way it was in Gen V, than yes I would still play. Gen V is when I started competitive, and near the end of the generation at that. But that said, I enjoy Gen VI just as much if not more as I do feel GF has tried to even the playing field and succeeded. Plus Gen VI has some awesome mons Also, if this meta were ever to go back to an older Gen, take Gen II XD I did play a bit competitive that Gen with my friends using a good old link-cable In the first iteration of FF, there was no Team Preview. I forget why but that was the case. Because of this, if we could of course, would you want Team Preview or rather see it gone? Just keep it, it's part of the game now anyway.
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12-10-2013, 06:21 PM
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After some consideration, I am doing something that I have never done before:
Altaria, yay, or nay? Normally I would just stick it in and tell you later(yay corruption!) but I want you guys to decide this time. Please try to be somewhat detailed, it helps. Also, replays for proof are appreciated. |
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It is the fluffiest and cutest dragon, therefore yay.
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12-17-2013, 08:15 AM
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So is the first post an up-to-date list? If so its a pretty broken list if you've got Exploud and Diggersby and Ampharos on there... especially Diggersby.
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12-17-2013, 08:23 AM
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>Exploud
People are putting way too much hype on Boomburst. I've faced with Exploud with teams that have zero counters to him and had no problem dealing with him. He's slow and frail. >Ampharos Can't mega-evolve, is slow, and can't do shit to Piloswine before a banded Earthquake rocks it world. In fact that really goes for more Ground types(Gastrodon in particular is incredible against it.) >Diggersby Most likely going to be suspect at some point. At the moment the only known counters I know of are Misdreavus and Gourgiest, with heavy duty physical walls being checks at best against the banded and LO SD sets. I agree he is really powerful.
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12-21-2013, 10:41 AM
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Alright, it seems that sign-ups are CLOSED. I will update this post shortly with who is participating. Or not? OOPS.
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