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Old 04-02-2007, 10:04 PM   #1
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The Anime Connection

For my sixth-semester course in Japanese, we each have to write a speech which relates in some way to Japanese pop culture. I could not find anything that I wanted to write about -or- that I felt comfortable writing about -and- that the class would be interested in. For example, I might want to write about doujinshi, but I would not be comfortable doing so in front of my classmates and sensei. Or as another example, I don't want to talk about Japanese hospitals, but of course I could if I had to.

Anyway, rather than do the assignment half-heartedly, I spent all evening Sunday ... and all morning Monday (up till 5 AM!) trying to think of a good topic. No dice. So I got 2 hours of sleep, alarm went off, slept in for an extra hour, and got up at 8am. Class is at 9:30am. Headed off to class empty-handed. No topic, no paper.

I talked to the sensei after class, and she was surprisingly permissive of my situation. She actually seemed to really respect that I didn't want to bullshit the assignment for the sake of doing it and was taking it so seriously that I had ended up failing (had she not been merciful, that is). So she did show mercy, and I did not fail the paper. She said I have till tomorrow to write it. Furthermore, we talked, starting off with why I am interested in Japanese. She assumed it was because of anime and seemed to be very very aware that I like anime. I corrected her. Then we talked about how indeed so many students do sign up hoping to become anime fansubbers and shit and end up failing out of it at the 102 or 201 level. (The semesters go 101, 102, 201, 202, 301, 302, 401, 402. I'm in 302.)

In the end, here's what she asked me:
a) Would I teach her (the sensei) why Americans like anime?
b) Would I teach her how many Americans like anime?
c) Would I teach her why so many American otaku decide to learn Japanese? Or rather, why ~90% or more of the department's students are otaku?
d) Why Japanese senseis should not be afraid of Chinese (seeing as Chinese promises to become "the new English" in no less than 50 years ... or so say anti-English doomsday linguists)
e) stuff

So I'll show you my paper later. But yeah. She wants to know why American nerds watch Japanese cartoons. Man ......... if only this was a debate of why American nerds jack off to H-doujinshi over American pornography, it'd be so much easier to explain. XD
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Old 04-03-2007, 09:26 AM   #2
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Re: The Anime Connection

Yeah what's up with that! These days, with real porn I can only get excited over really good softcore pornography.
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Old 04-06-2007, 01:34 AM   #3
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An interesting topic. Do you have to cite sources and such?
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Re: The Anime Connection

I could have, but in the end I just used my own personal experiences and observations. Sort of a shitty paper, really. It focuses on three different topics, too.

1 - Why I am studying Japanese
2 - From that, why others are studying Japanese: Anime. (And thus an entire explanation on otaku culture in the States and in Japan.)
3 - From that, why Japanese teachers don't need to worry about everybody abandoning Japanese once Chinese becomes more economically über1337 (wherein I discuss all the cool reasons to study Chinese, all the cool reasons to study Japanese, and then Japan's secret weapon: anime)

I'll copy and paste the first draft below. But it really sucks.
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Old 04-06-2007, 12:30 PM   #5
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パデューに来たと きに、私は自信が あã‚*ませんでし㠁Ÿã€‚«˜æ*¡æ™‚代には §ã¯æˆç¸¾ãŒå„ªç§€ãª ”Ÿå¾’ã§ã—ãŸãŒã€è‡ ªåˆ*ã®å¼±ç‚¹ã«æ°—ãŒä ˜ãã¾ã›ã‚“ã§ã—ãŸ €‚カリフォルニ㠢工科大å*¦ã§ã€ãã ®å¼±ç‚¹ã«ãã¥ã‹ã• ‚Œã¾ã—た。そこだ§ã¯ã€ã‚‚ã*一番** Œã„いå*¦ç”Ÿã˜ã‚ƒã かったし、失敗㠂‚たくさんあっだŸã—、“に迷ってだ—まいました。そ ®ãŸã‚ã€è‡ªä¿¡ãŒãª くなã‚*ました。

2004年の5月に、「 ©ã*して勉強す㠋のが苦手になっ Ÿã®ã‹ã€ã¨è‡ªåˆ*だ自åˆ*に問いかけ ¦ã¿ã¾ã—た。その 質問へのç*”えは〠もã*楽しくない㠁‹ã‚‰ã€ã§ã—た。㠌なぜもã*楽しく ない?」と聞いだも、「さぁ、ど *ã—ã¦ã‹ãªã€ã¨æ€ ã*ã*けで、ç*”え㠁¯è¦‹ã¤ã‹ã‚*ませ゠でした。•·ã„–“ „つもこのこと㠒考えていました €‚最後に、ç*”ãˆã ’è¦‹ã¤ã‘ã¾ã—ãŸã€ ãã‚Œã¯ã€Œå‰ã«å‹‰å ¼·ãŒã*まくいって㠁„たときはフラン㠂¹èªžã‚’勉強してだ„た。でも、ä»*は 外国語を全然勉 å¼·ã—ã¦ã„ãªã„ã€‚æ Žæ—¥å·¥å*¦ã®å‹‰å¼·ã°ã ‹ã‚*ã—ã¦ã„ã¦ã¯ã€ æ¥½ã—ããªã„ã€ã¨æ° —がついてから、 ã‚‚ã*一度外国語㠂’勉強すること㠁«æ±ºã‚ã¾ã—た。

ãã—ã¦ã€ï¼’ï¼ï¼ï¼ å¹´ï¼˜æœˆã«ã€ãƒ‘ãƒ‡ã ¥ãƒ¼ã«è»¢æ*¡ã—ã¦ã€ç ã®æ—¥æœ¬èªžã‚’å‹‰å¼· するå*’™ºãŒå§‹ã¾ã ‚*ました。

多くの日本語のå*¦ ”Ÿã¯æ—¥æœ¬ã®ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ がåˆ*かる為に日 œ¬èªžã‚’勉強しそだ*です。どã*して アニメがåˆ*かる㠁¤ã‚‚ã‚*があるå*¦ç ŸãŒã“んなに多い §ã™ã‹ã€‚ãã—ã¦ã ãªãœã‚¢ãƒ¡ãƒªã‚«äººã ¯æ—¥æœ¬ã®ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ã«è ˆˆå‘³ãŒã‚ã‚*ますだ。最後に、どã*㠁—てアメリカ人は ¸*国語よã‚*æ—¥æœ¬èª ã«èˆˆå‘³ãŒã‚ã‚*まだ™ã‹ã€‚

アニメといã*のだ¯æ—¥æœ¬ã‹ã‚‰ã®ãƒ*レ ƒ“・アニメーシムンです。日本の㠢ニメにはいろい ろなバラエãƒ*ィだŒã‚るので、誰も が自åˆ*の好きな゠ニメを見つける ã“ã¨ãŒã§ãã¾ã™ã€ ã§ã‚‚ã€å¤šãã®æ—¥æ œ¬äººã¯ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ã‚’だまã‚*見ていませ㠓。日本ではアムメ愛好者はたい ¦ã„å*ä¾›ã‹ã‚ªã‚¿ã ¯ã§ã™ã€‚オタクだいã*のはちょっ㠨ã*かしい大人で㠀ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ãŒå¤§å¥½ã §ã€ã‚³ã‚¹ãƒ—レとだ同人誌とかビデ㠪・ゲーãƒ*ãªã©ã«è ˆå‘³ãŒã‚ã‚‹äººã§ã™ ã€‚å¤šãã®æ—¥æœ¬äººã ã‚ªã‚¿ã‚¯ã«ã¤ã„ã¦ã ãã•ã„ã¨ã‹ã€æ€ ã„ã¨ã„ã*よã*な ‚ªã„イメージを㠂っています。 最近その考え方だ¯å¤‰ã‚ã£ã¦ãã¦ã„㠾す。最近もっだ¨ã‚‚ã£ã¨ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ãŒå ¥½ãã*と言ã*日本 ººãŒå¢—えていそã* です。

ポケットモンス゠ーが作られる前 «ã€æ—¥æœ¬ã®ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ はアメリカであだ¾ã‚*有名じゃなか㠁£ãŸã§ã™ã€‚私は聞 „たことがあã‚*ã ã—ãŸã‘ã©ã€ç§ã¯æ ®€šã˜ã‚ƒãªã‹ã£ãŸã ‹ã‚‚しれません㠂(私はスーパー ƒ–ックといã*アム‹ãƒ¡ã‚’見たã‚*、宮 崎先生の宝物の〠Œš£ã®ãƒˆãƒˆãƒ*ã€ã‚‚è¦ ‹ãŸã‚*しました。 )でも、ポケッ㠈モンスターの後㠧、日本のアニメ ®å½±Ÿ¿ãŒæ´¥æ³¢ã®ã‚ˆã *にæ*¼ã—寄せまし た。 どã*してアメリ゠«äººã¯æ—¥æœ¬ã®ã‚¢ãƒ‹ã ¡ãŒæ°—に入るよだ*になã‚*ましたか㠂ç*由のä¸*で、ア メリカのアニメだ最悪で、大人のだŸã‚ã®ã‚¢ãƒ¡ãƒªã‚«ã®ã ¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ãƒ¼ã‚·ãƒ§ãƒ³ã¯å °‘ないが、日本の アニメは®®ã‚„かだ§ã€æ–°ã—いメッセ ƒ¼ã‚¸ãŒã‚って、ムザインはアメリ㠫人にはすごく¢ç ½ã‹ã£ãŸã‹ã‚‰ã§ã™ ã€‚å°‘å¹´ã‚„å°‘å¥³ã¯æ —¥æœ¬ã®æ¼«ç”»ã‚’見だけた後で、アメムªã‚«çš„なコミック㠂’捨てました。å* 供の*ƒã«åœŸæ›œæ—¥ã 朝のãƒ*レビ・プム*グラãƒ*は全ƒ¨ã‚¢ãƒ ¡ãƒªã‚«ã§ä½œã£ãŸãƒ—ム*グラãƒ*ですが、ä *は全然•ã*し、 多くのå*ä¾›ã®ãƒ—ãƒ* グラãƒ*は日本の゠ニメか日本のア㠋メみたいなプãƒ*ã ‚°ãƒ©ãƒ*です。

ã‚¢ãƒ¡ãƒªã‚«ã®ã‚ªã‚¿ã ¯ã«ã¨ã£ã¦ã€æ—¥æœ¬è žã¯ã€Œã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ã®ã“ ¨ã°ã€ã§ã™ã‹ã‚‰ã å*¦ã³ãŸãã¦ã€å¤§å* ¦ã§å¤šãã®æ—¥æœ¬èªžã å*¦ç”Ÿã¯ã‚ªã‚¿ã‚¯ã§ã ™ã€‚ã‚‚ã¡ã‚ã‚“ã€æ —¥æœ¬äººã«ã¯æ—¥æœ¬èªžã ¨ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ã¯–¢ä¿‚が ‚ã‚*ません。日 œ¬èªžã¯å›½ã®ã“とば §ã€ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ã¯è*¸è¡ の形式です。そだ*ですが 、アメリカ人の゠ªã‚¿ã‚¯ã¯–¢ä¿‚が見㠁ˆã‚‹ã—、日本の゠¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ãŒå¥½ãã*か㠉日本語に興味を 持つよã*になã‚*だす 。希望のä¸*ã§ã€ä¸ €ç•ªã‚ˆãèžã‹ã‚Œã¦ „ã‚‹ã®ã¯ã€Œç§ã€æ ¥æœ¬ã®æ¼«ç”»ã‚’è¨³ã™ ¼ã€ã¨ã„ã*ことだす。

私は他の大å*¦ç”Ÿã¯ •ã„ã¾ã™ã€‚ç§ã¯æ ¥æœ¬èªžãŒå¤§å¥½ãã§ã ã‹ã‚‰æ—¥æœ¬èªžã‚’å‹ å¼·ã—ç¶šã‘ã¾ã™ã€‚ ªãœå¥½ããªã‚‰ã€å˜ 語や文法や書き 方や色々なç*ç”± のã*ã‹ã’ã§ç§ã¯æ— æœ¬èªžã¨æ‹ã«è½ã¡ã¾ した。楽しいし㠀ç§ã«ã¯ã‚まã‚*›£ —ããªã„ã—ã€ç‰¹åˆ ¥ãªèªžã§ã™ã‹ã‚‰ã€‚ このç*由は良い㠗、強いし、私は まã**‘張っていま ™ã€‚まã*日本語゠’勉強しています ã€‚å°‚æ”»ã˜ã‚ƒãªãã ¦ã‚‚ã€å‹‰å¼·ã—ã¦ã ã¾ã™ã€‚ã§ã‚‚ã€æ— æœ¬èªžã¯å¤§å¤‰ã*ã¨æ€ ã*å*¦ç”Ÿã«ã¯ã€å¤šåˆ *ã€Œã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ãŒå¥½ãï ¼ã€ã¨ã„ã*ç*由だ強すぎません。 ¼±ã„ですから、㠝のå*ã¯æ—¥æœ¬èªžã®å ‰å¼·ã‚’捨ててしま „ます。仕事と ¢ä¿‚がないし、ま *アニメが見え゠はずですから、 —¥æœ¬èªžã‚’å‹‰å¼·ã—ç šã‘ã‚‹å¿…è¦ãŒã‚ã‚ *ません。

次の点はä¸*国語対 日本語です。私だ¯ä¸*å›½èªžã«èˆˆå‘³ã‚’æ Œã£ã¦ã„ます。だの授æ¥*にä¸*国語゠勉強しているå*¦ 生もいます。å°* 来にä¸*å›½èªžã‚’å‹‰å ·ã™ã‚‹å*¦ç”ŸãŒã„゠かもしれませ゠。でも、ä»*は多 ã®ç§ãŸã¡ãŒæ—¥æœ¬è ªžã*け勉強してだます。そして、㠃‘デューのä¸*国語 *¦ƒ¨ã¨æ—¥æœ¬èªžå*¦ƒ¨ã ’比べると、ä¸*å› èªžã®ã‚ˆã‚*日本語だ®ã¯å*¦ç”ŸãŒå¤šã„でだ™ã€‚どã*してです ã‹ã€‚ãŸã—ã‹ã«ã€ä ¸*国語を勉強す㠋ç*由が良くて多 „ã§ã™ã€‚ã“ã®ä¸–ç Œã«ã¯å…*åˆ*の一の ººãŒä¸*国人でä¸*国 ªžã‚’話します。㠝れに、ä¸*国の方 Œæ—¥æœ¬ã‚ˆã‚*世界だ®çµŒæ¸ˆã®ãƒªãƒ¼ãƒ€ãƒ¼ã なっています。å *来に経済の戦争㠌あったら、ä¸*国 対アメリカ、勝だ¤ã®ã¯ä¸*国かもし ‚Œã¾ã›ã‚“から、 ‚¢ãƒ¡ãƒªã‚«äººã*けじ ゃなくて、みんだªã¯ä¸*国語をå*¦ã°ã ªãã¦ã¯ã„けない㠁‹ã‚‚しれません㠀‚

でも、経済å*›ã¯å ¨ã¦ã˜ã‚ƒãªãã€ã‚‚ ¡ã‚ã‚“外国語をå *¦ã¶ç*由のä¸*では㠂‚ã*一つの大事だç*由があã‚*ます㠀‚それは外国語゠’å*¦ã¶å›½ã®æ–‡åŒ–で ™ã€‚æ—¥æœ¬ãªã‚‰ã€æ –‡åŒ–が美しくてユ ニークで、アメムªã‚«äººã“ãã«æœ‰åã §ã™ã€‚ä¾ã¨ã‹ç©ºæ‰ ã¨ã‹å¯Œå£«å±±ãªã©ã€ èª°ã§ã‚‚ã‚¢ãƒ¡ãƒªã‚«ã §ã¯èžã„ãŸã“ã¨ãŒã ‚ã‚*ます。そしだ、å*ã©ã‚‚の*ƒã«ã€ ã¿ã‚“なは多åˆ*å¿è …ã«ãªã‚*たいと思 ã„ã¾ã—ãŸã€‚ï¼ˆå¤šåˆ *忍者の亀のã*か ’でしょã*。) —¥æœ¬ã¯è*¸è€…の国だす。日本はæ*˜ã‚*ç ´™ã®å›½ã§ã™ã€‚æ—¥æœ ¬ã¯ã*å¯¿å¸ã®å›½ã§ã ã€‚å¤šãã®ã‚¢ãƒ¡ãƒªã «äººã¯ã€ãšã£ã¨æ—¥æ œ¬ã«è¡ŒããŸã„とい㠁*興味を持ってき ました。

たしかに、ä¸*国㠂いい文化があã *ます。例えば、 æœ‰åãªè©±ã®ä¸‰å›½æ¼ ç¾©ã¯ä¸€ã¤ã®ç§ã®å¤ å¥½ããªè©±ã§ã€æœ¬å½ ã«ä¸*国の漢時代だ®å¾Œã®æ*´å²ãŒä¼¼ã¦ã ます。でも、ど *ã—ã¦ã‚¢ãƒ¡ãƒªã‚«äº ã®å¤§å*¦ç”Ÿã¯ã‚ˆãæ— ¥æœ¬èªžã‚’¸ã¶ãªã‚‰ã æ—¥æœ¬ã¯ç‰¹åˆ¥ãªæ–‡ 化があã‚*ã¾ã™ã‹ã ‰ã€‚ãã®ç‰¹åˆ¥ãªæ– åŒ–ã¯ã‚‚ã¡ã‚ã‚“æ— æœ¬ã®ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ã§ã™ã ‚ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ã‚„æ¼«ç”»ã‚ „ゲーãƒ*がä¸*国で㠂作られて買えま す。でも、アメ ƒªã‚«äººã¯ä¸*国か゠のアニメや漫画 ‚„ゲーãƒ*に興味だあまã‚*あã‚*ませ㠂“。日本ã*けの㠢ニメは「アニメ €ã¨å‘¼ã‚“ã§ã€æ—¥æ ¬ã*けの漫画も「 漫画」と呼びまだ。そして、なん か日本ã*けのアム‹ãƒ¡ãƒ¼ã‚·ãƒ§ãƒ³ã¯ç‰¹å ¥ã§ã™ã€‚ä¸*国の゠アメリカのもŸ“å ½ã®ã‚‚§„ç›®ã§ã™ã€ æ—¥æœ¬ã®ä»–ã®å›½ã«ã —ã‹ãªã„ã‚¨ãƒƒã‚¯ã‚ ãƒãƒ¼ãƒˆã¯ã‚ªã‚¿ã‚¯æ ‡åŒ–ã§ã™ã€‚

日本のアニメをã *いてã*いて、日 œ¬èªžã¯ã¾ã*特別な㠁“とばです。で゠、そのユニーク㠻エックスポート㠁®ã*かげで日本語 ‚’勉強している ººã®æ•°ãŒæœ€è¿‘増だていて、å°*来に㠂増え続くことに “•ãˆã¾ã›ã‚“。だ§ã™ã‹ã‚‰ã€å›½èªžã® 戦争があったら㠁ä¸*国語の相手は —¥æœ¬èªžã˜ã‚ƒãªãã€ イギリス語でし㠇ã*ã€‚ãã—ã¦ã€æ— ¥æœ¬ã®ã‚¢ãƒ‹ãƒ¡ã¨æ—¥æ ¬èªžã‚’勉強するだ®ã¯–¢ä¿‚ãŒå¼±ã„ã¨è¨ €ã£ã¦ã‚‚、アメリ ‚«äººã®å*¦ç”ŸãŒæ—¥æœ¬ 語を勉強出来れ㠁°ã€ãã‚Œã«ãã®å*¦ç ”Ÿã¯æ—¥æœ¬èªžã‚’å‹‰å¼ ·ã™ã‚‹ã®ç*由は日 本のアニメをも㠁£ã¨æ—©ãè¦‹ã‚‹ç‚ºã も、大丈夫でし㠇ã*。人によっだ、目的や希望が •ã„ます。

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日本ではオタクだ¨ã„ã*とネガãƒ*ã‚£ ƒ–なイメージを㠂つひとがã*ã*い㠗、社会的に認め ‚‰ã‚Œã¦ã„ません㠁Œã€ã‚¢ãƒ¡ãƒªã‚«ã§ã¯ ¿…ずそã*といã*ã‚ ã‘ではなく、誇ã *をもって、どだ*どã*と「私はオ㠿クã*」と主張す ‚‹äººã‚‚たくさん㠁„るのです。そ㠌が、アニメ愛好 者のä¸*ã§ã€ä¸€ç•ªç ¥è*˜è±*å¯ŒãªäººãŒä¸€ç ªæ*¼å¥½ã„い人です㠀‚誰よã‚*もオタ㠂¯ã®æ–¹ã¯æ—¥æœ¬ã®ã‚¢ ニメが知っていま す。そのã*かげ㠧アメリカのオタ ‚¯ã¯æ—¥æœ¬ã®ã‚ˆã‚*ç¤ ä¼šã«ã€Œã‚ªã‚¿ã‚¯ã® ¢ã€ã‚’見せてもだいです。
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Old 04-06-2007, 01:12 PM   #6
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Old 04-06-2007, 01:18 PM   #7
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I'm assuming you did that to get a kneejerk response from me. So as not to disappoint :P
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Old 04-06-2007, 02:32 PM   #8
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Ahahaha, I'm so dumb. I kept thinking, "essay? Cool, this should be interesting" but then when Talon posted it, I went, "huh, wait, this is in Japanese!"

Boy, I do feel sheepish. :4
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If I want to (doubtful), I could translate it back. We'll see.
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Wow! There's squares everywhere @_@. I was hoping to see what Suigin's paper powers were made of too.
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Old 04-06-2007, 03:42 PM   #11
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Wow! There's squares everywhere @_@. I was hoping to see what Suigin's paper powers were made of too.
If you're using Windows XP, go to ...
  1. Control Panel[/*49c56]
  2. Regional Settings (or some similarly named feature with the word "Regional" in it)[/*49c56]
  3. Look through the tabs and be sure to ...
    - click on "Support for East Asian fonts?"
    - add Japanese to your keyboard options if you would like to type in Japanese[/*49c56]
  4. Let us know if it worked for you.[/*49c56]
Sorry I can't be more specific, but I'm not on a Windows machine at the moment.
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Old 04-06-2007, 06:42 PM   #12
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Errm....I was kidding ^_^;..... I tried to install it before, but I need a disk that I don't have, to do so. I tried it because the squares lag the **** out of me. Well, I give thanks to joo for your info anyway.
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