Online Competitive Pokemon Battle Showdown Happy Fun Times

[Emi]

You'll like this replay then EK. Warning: Gen VII spoilers

[phoopes]

Originally Posted by Emi

You'll like this replay then EK. Warning: Gen VII spoilers

Shame about the crit at the end preventing you from getting the 6-0. Loving the stall team though Emi

[Emi]

It's solid but it needs improvement. Calm Mind Mega Sableye really gives this team a problem, and I need to rely on PP stalling it with Chansey and Alolomola in order to beat it. In addition this Gen in particular really makes it difficult for Skarmory to set-up hazards, but I wanted the double Defog. So I don't know, it probably could stand some improvement.

[phoopes]

Word on the street is that Toxapex is hella good for stall teams. Scald, Recover, Haze, Toxic/T-Spikes with Black Sludge seems to be the standard. Then make it physically or specially defensive based on whatever you need more.

[Emi]

I like Toxapex but I feel Alomomola brings more to this team than it (also AloloWak is a super solid defensive core)

[kawaiiconcept]

would someone be willing to teach me how to battle competitavley before I officially enter gen 7?

[phoopes]

I love Celesteela so much man

[Emi]

UU beta has officially hit. So far there have been three quickbans: Mega Charizard Y, Kyurem Black, and Baton Pass.

With the couple of losses due to usage otherwise, the tier is roughly as follows.

Spoiler: show

Scizor, Dragonite, Latias, Weavile, Keldeo, Azelf, Mega Slowbro, Blissey, Gliscor, Gyarados, Tentacruel, Magneton, Starmie, Mega Blastoise, Mega Aerodactyl, Azumarill, Mew, Terrakion, Diggersby, Raikou, Breloom, Forretress, Salamence, Decidueye, Serperior, Thundurus, Swellow, Aerodactyl, Zygarde-10%, Krookodile, Staraptor, Victini, Mega Sharpedo, Primarina, Volcarona, Necrozma, Cobalion, Amoonguss, Sylveon, Gengar, Tornadus-Therian, Gigalith, Tsareena, Empoleon, Thundurus-Therian, Alomomola, Swampert, Quagsire, Infernape, Crobat along with the most recent drops Hippowdon, Bisharp, Porygon-Z, and Mandibuzz.

Anything not listed here is either OU and got less than 3.41% in UU Alpha so far. Disclaimer: Alpha stats are shit and had Scizor at #1 and not MCY, which was uberbroken.

[phoopes]

Wait wait wait I was using Pory-Z in OU and loving it. Honestly I'll probably play whatever tier it falls too. Admittedly it was probably better in OU because I was Conversioning into Electric type and I had Tapu Koko to go along with it. But still, I love Z-Conversion -> wreck everything.

[Emi]

Pory-Z fell under the usage stats last month. Hence why its UU, although I expect it may get the boot at some point.

[Raves]

And Genesect has once again got the chop because apparently having more than one usable set and being able to set up on things is grounds for a ban.

Being serious though, Genesect didn't really need banning.

[Jerichi]

Pory-Z will never be more than incredibly gimmicky. It's an effective gimmick but let's be honest Z-Conversion is basically it's only viable set.

[Lil'twick]

Re: Gene

The main problem with Gene is more its sheer unpredictability. You can argue Gene is a balanced mon but it becomes really overcentralizing, is a moveset chameleon, and is really good at both starting and keeping momentum.

[Emi]

Originally Posted by Raves

And Genesect has once again got the chop because apparently having more than one usable set and being able to set up on things is grounds for a ban.

Being serious though, Genesect didn't really need banning.

That's an incredibly vast simplification and you know it.

Originally Posted by Jerichi

Pory-Z will never be more than incredibly gimmicky. It's an effective gimmick but let's be honest Z-Conversion is basically it's only viable set.

Gimmicks aren't really supposed to be effective in my opinion. Z-Conversion is really quite good and I suspect that Pory-Z will eventually get banned from UU since UU right now is very offensive (Stall is really struggling at the moment), and Pory-Z really bodies most offensive teams once their Scarfer is down.

[Lil'twick]

To put in in perspective Z-Conversersion is the reason Porygon got banned from LC. Even with all the shit surrounding that suspect, something seen as gimmicky can end up being a solid, and quite scary, strategy that shows consistant results.

[Emi]

>fast, bulky, strong sweeper that has no knock off weakness

Yeah that's probably worth a ban in LC lol

[rotomotorz]

I'll be surprised if Z conversion doesn't leave UU but more surprised it it manages to leave OU

[Emi]

Z-Conversion Porygon-Z doesn't seem to be nearly as strong in OU, despite it being hyped to hell like two weeks ago. It's still pretty terrible against stall which is more common in OU and offense can pressure it easier than in UU.

It's still solid but I wouldn't even put it as great.

[DaisyInari]

Meteor Mash? More like...

*puts on sunglasses*

Meteor MISS

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[Shuckle]

Z-conversion is good but not incredible unless you managed to pull off a full sweep with it. Think Shell Smash, but you can only use it once and can never set up again.

Cloyster is fine so I think we're safe...but I'd still try to keep his checks in mind, it's a scary strat to have to face and will eat through your guys pretty bad.

[Emi]

Z-Conversion is so much better than Shell Smash though. It also increases your bulk and gives you a much better typing. That's part of why people hate it lol.

[Doppleganger]

Why not run two Greninja on a team, one Protean and one Battle Bond, with some overlapping moves to confuse the opponent?

[Emi]

Species clause

[Jerichi]

How is Dugtrio being suspected before any Tapu???

[Emi]

The OU Council are boosted bonobos. Friendly reminder that Lando-T still holds like a >33% usage rate.