01-31-2017, 12:09 AM | #3451 |
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I'm sure you already know, but for those unaware, it can't be McCain and Co because the impeachment proceedings must start in Congress. Right now you have something like 25 Republicans in Congress openly against Trump, and the rest are silent or supportive. They would need a healthy handful more to even get started. Until such a time that the House has just enough to motion for impeachment proceedings to begin, McCain and Co are just going to have to twiddle their thumbs.
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01-31-2017, 12:21 AM | #3452 |
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Given the House...I don't think most Republicans care. It's going to be immensely difficult to actually get him impeached with our current house.
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01-31-2017, 12:27 AM | #3453 |
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He's done more in two weeks than W. Bush ever did in a single one of his eight years to hurt the reputation of America in the eyes of the world or to hurt his own reputation in the eyes of Americans. I sorely, severely doubt we're going to be waiting two years for change on this one. The country simply won't hold. There will be massive (million citizen plus) riots in cities like New York and Chicago if the anti-ethnicism continues at this rate. The man saying "grab 'er by the pussy" three months prior managed to transform a Facebook invite into a 500,000-woman march on Washington one day after his inauguration. I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that "fuck permanent residents," if it either stays put or it escalates further, is going to produce civil riots the likes of which this nation has not seen or known since the War of Independence. Misogyny is disgusting, but de facto deportation of lawful residents illegally ruins lives. They are on different levels of how badly they call Americans to action.
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01-31-2017, 12:37 AM | #3454 |
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Impeachment will probably happen, in fairness, if it really looks like not trying to will cost Reps and Senators their job. If his presidency causes massive civil unrest. But as of right now, I don't think anything will happen. Plus, depending on your demographic, it could potentially be political suicide; Trump will take an impeachment as ample opportunity to make himself a martyr. Someone like McCain could probably do it, but if your demographic is white lower-middle class people, you're not going to want to touch impeachment.
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01-31-2017, 12:52 AM | #3455 |
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It doesn't matter if 100% of Democrats come out against Trump if at least 50% of Republican voters aren't supporting impeachment. Because until that happens, GOP Senators/Congresspeople have no political reason to support impeachment.
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Additionally, what makes you think that there is currently a massive overwhelming consensus in this country that Donald Trump is the assbaby of the Antichrist and Hitler? You live in a state that went 57% for Trump, for fuck's sake: drive out to an old factory town in Indiana and see if anybody there gives a shit that foreigners they'll never meet are being inconvenienced when the local economy's biggest driver is bathtub meth. Not every Trump voter is a fanatic: these are people who can be brought around, but they are going to give him the benefit of the doubt and will be waiting for some time to see if he succeeds or fails.
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01-31-2017, 04:04 AM | #3457 |
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Worth pointing out that Trump's disapproval is "only" at 51 percent. Albeit he hit the record for hitting majority disapproval fastest, so.
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It's a little shocking to me that Trump was able to sit down and do things within basically hours of assuming the presidency. Even barring the fact that Trump himself should have known it was a bad idea, was there really nobody in the entire government infrastructure who had the presence of mind to establish a "welcoming committee" to educate Trump on both his powers and his responsibilities as President?
I lost a lot of faith in the legislative branch over the past 8 years, and in the course of just a few weeks I've lost a lot of faith in the executive branch, too. This is a mind-boggling failure at every stage of the game. And let's not even talk about the way that Trump has stopped caring about optics entirely over the course of the last couple months. Back during the campaign, Trump was very careful about what he said and how. What the fuck is this bullshit now? Not only a Muslim travel ban, not only a Muslim travel ban passed in the first two weeks of being in office, NOT ONLY a Muslim travel ban that was written up in 15 minutes, but a Muslim travel ban that doesn't even ban Muslims from dangerous countries from traveling (Saudi Arabia: Not on the list). We probably won't see impeachment, but what we will need to see is: 1. Congress doing its job and passing laws 2. SCOTUS limiting the powers of the President The Obama administration defined a presidency that does not work closely with Congress. Trump's actions are a regrettable consequence of this. As long as Congress does not act, Trump will not need to work with them and will feel justified in signing powerful EOs. As long as the SCOTUS does not act, Trump will continue to be able to sign powerful EOs if Congress does not give him what he wants. Also we need Bannon gone and we need Congress to actually pay attention to who is allowed on the cabinet or in any council. Failure of checks and balances. God fucking damn.
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WaPo says you are still a first class citizen, Jeri, don't worry.
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01-31-2017, 07:20 AM | #3461 |
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In fairness, that is still only part of the rumored EO. It's important but I'd prefer we didn't take any little baby steps in that direction.
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Mkay so I am legitimately driven to the point of "I will actually sit down at some point and write a letter to one of my Representatives" done with Trump's shit. Anyone particularly interested in just compiling a list of grievances with sources so I can ask this person to just read it out on the House floor or some shit idfk anything that might possibly give me the chance to collectively tell Congress to make their branch relevant again/grow a spine/what have you?
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I imagine that's at least mostly from people not properly storing their guns and then the toddler gets ahold of it while the safety's off and it's loaded for whatever bonkers reason and well you know how this goes. A five year old who was apparently accompanied by another family at an airport is not going to have those circumstances.
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That was sarcasm mate.
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IM going to be quite frank and say if I was accounting for sarcasm being a possibility with every post made here there would be some people I'd only take seriously about half the time they're being serious. I'd much rather miss sarcasm than realize "oh wait you were serious about that."
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01-31-2017, 09:41 AM | #3469 |
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I mean yeah that was basically an add-on to what you said about the factory town in Indiana part. There's only barely a majority of people who think he's being a bad president, which probably means they're not close to one that think he's being a terrible president. Which doesn't really speak very well of the country as a whole, but.
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As I see it, a martyrdom would have been a better legacy to look back on, and it probably wouldn't have lead to Donald Trump.
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DeVos got through.
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So, can we get some legitimate discussion on this quote from Steven Bannon, please?
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