03-22-2013, 06:44 AM | #1 |
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Learning languages- General
G'day all,
What with Talon's Japanese language thread in full swing and many people saying that they'd like to learn a language over in the Bucket List thread created by deoxys, I thought it would be useful for us to have a general languages thread. I know that we have a fair few people here who have studied linguistics and I know there's a few people here who speak other languages naturally, so hopefully this can become a useful resource. Post here to ask/provide tips on learning new languages! |
03-22-2013, 06:50 AM | #2 |
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So, I want to learn German. I was half decent with high school French about four years ago but the skill has atrophied to the point where I can say unconnected sentences of like six words... maybe. I'm far better at comprehending what is said to me than saying things myself and far better with oral conversation than written text.
Wat do? I'm thinking evening classes, once a week kind of stuff. There's self teach tapes, but I'm lazy, so will be far more motivated if I have some structure to it. One problem is that I never committed the grammatical quirks to memory, so although I understand what someone says if they say it in German grammar, I couldn't generate the phrase myself. I also can't remember which pronouns (der, die oder das) go with which words. At all. Which is fine, because people still understand you if you say "der frau", but they look at you like you're a child. Or an Englishman, which is in fairness the truth. I want to be near fluent within a year of getting this Master's, so basically by the middle of next year. I'd like to get business German under my belt as well, since I'd like to work out there (or in Europe generally) at some point if I can. Tips appreciated! |
03-22-2013, 07:20 AM | #3 |
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The way I learned English was very simple. I learned up the basic rules of grammar and sentence construction, from school...and then I read a crapton of books, basically starting from a very useful magazine called Tinkle(but that's India only); moving up to Enid Blyton, Harry Potter, CS Lewis, and kept on moving as far as I could, though of course by the time I finished most of Enid Blyton I knew pretty much a lot of it.
Basically, that's a fairly good way to learn any language, in my opinion. Just take a few evening classes to just get a basic idea of the structure- and if you read enough books, it'll become second nature which pronouns go with which words, for example. If you've ever read anything translated from German, that might be a good thing to read- but start with the simpler children's stories, is my advice. Books are ridiculous great tools to learn language with. Keep a dictionary nearby if you want, but ideally you should never need it after the first few books.
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03-22-2013, 09:27 AM | #4 |
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I'm in the same boat as you, Kush. Learned French from Year 7 (age 11), picked up German in Year 8, then dropped German when it came to picking GCSE options and got a C in French. Then forgot most of it.
I kind of wanted to learn Welsh while I was at Uni, but really couldn't be bothered. There's a few languages I wouldn't mind either refreshing (French, German) or picking up (Welsh, Spanish, maybe Japanese), but I'm just horrible at learning languages. I had to really work to even get a C in my French, and while I know it's useful I'm just so very bad at it. |
03-22-2013, 01:26 PM | #5 |
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My girlfriend speaks English, French, German, Russian and a bit of Afrikaans, which makes me feel more than a little bit inadequate.
I picked up transactional Japanese whilst I was out there, and was pretty good at German to GCSE level. I'll probably try to pick German back up after graduating, not least because I'd quite like to live there for a bit, so let me know what you do and how it goes Kushster. |
03-22-2013, 02:00 PM | #6 |
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I used to be very good at Spanish. Made it all the way to Advanced Placement Spanish 5 in high school and managed to pass the AP Exam, but that was at least 6 years ago, and I've fallen out of practice. I miss being able to read Pablo Neruda in his native language.
I like the idea of picking up books and reading. I also think that watching movies/TV shows in the language you want to learn is helpful, particularly if you have seen that particular show or movie in English already. You can also watch with subtitles if you need them. That way, you're actually hearing the language being pronounced.
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03-22-2013, 08:32 PM | #7 |
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I speak English because I live in the us
I speak German because I'm a German immigrant and my parents taught it to me alongside English. I speak pretty good Spanish because of 8 years of Spanish classes and a summer spent in Venezuela. I'm currently taking French classes.
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03-22-2013, 09:47 PM | #8 |
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I took two years of German, can carry on basic conversations, but not much else.
I live in New Mexico, and I'm pretty much surrounded by Spanish. I've picked up a few things here and there, but don't really know much. I'd like to learn Spanish for the same reasons stated above, I just lack the motivation to try. Foreign languages aren't really too high on my list of priorities.
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03-22-2013, 10:57 PM | #10 |
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I am currently learning Ancient Greek and Latin. This summer I am going to try to learn enough French to be able to have basic reading proficiency. I will also have to learn German at some point.
Also stupid schoolwork keeps getting in the way of my extracurricular Latin thread ;; |
03-27-2013, 08:20 AM | #12 |
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Yesterday a (clearly stoned) deaf guy was snooping around my house as I got hime near midnight. After getting his attention and firmly establishing between us that I do not in any way understand sign language, he wrote on his 'phone what he wanted (a person who lives in a road about a mile from where we were...).
Maybe I should learn sign language (and braille). Any speakers on the boards? |
03-27-2013, 08:26 AM | #13 |
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03-27-2013, 12:22 PM | #14 |
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I'm taking spanish as per the IB program at my high school. I'm currently in dual enrollment Spanish, and I can only speak/understand spoken Spanish at a slower speed, but I can understand written pretty well. I know a couple of words in Chinese and I'm trying to learn more. I would REALLY love to learn sign language but it's hard to do on your own.
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03-27-2013, 03:09 PM | #15 |
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Spanish is my mother tongue, so needless to say I can provide useful and helpfun insight if you require assistance. I consider my English to be a cut above what is common in my homeland, and on par with most well educated native speakers, all thanks to the fact that I've been studying it ever since I was 5... Basic vocabulary and stuff back then, alongside my proper education in Spanish.
I'm currently learning French and Japanese. (Not too many Kanji, though, but I write and read in Katakana and Hiragana). I'm rather good at both, though I'm still a student and lacking advanced vocabulary. I'm really looking forward to picking up German and Russian in the future. TL;DR For anything Spanish-related, hit me up. |
03-27-2013, 06:33 PM | #16 |
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I currently know quite a bit of Japanese (though holy god am I rusty, I should study up), a good bit of German, and am studying Italian, Spanish, and Latin currently, with Russian being my next project.
I'm planning on going to college for International Communications. |
03-27-2013, 09:06 PM | #17 |
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I have taken classes in Spanish, Latin, French, Japanese and Chinese. I am conversationally fluent (and can read and write) in Spanish, can carry a basic French conversation, and am at an intermediate level in Japanese (I can read about 400 or so kanji at this point and can have scattered conversation). My Latin is super rusty and I only learned enough Chinese to say "I like to drink beer".
I'm a Linguistics and Spanish major (and a Cognitive Science major; yay triple major!!!) so pretty much all my classes are language-related. My potential careers paths are pretty much all language-related, so I've basically spent college and high school learning language. Spanish isn't my native language but I've tutored it in the past so I can answer grammar questions with confidence (if anyone wants help). |
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I'm surprised an English thread hasn't been made by our ESL members. Well, since I don't want to be the one to create it but since I also think the following quote illustrates a quirky little English feature, I'll post this here.
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Sentence 1. "I liked Maki's best but for the ugly gray background." There are two ways you might read this sentence:
Sentence 2. "I quite liked Mac's drawing but not for a skateboard." This sentence means that Talon liked Mac's drawing but that he didn't think it was a good fit for a skateboard design. Which ... is pretty much how I think any ESL student would read the sentence to begin with. ^^; It's not difficult. What's interesting is that the sentence would become quasi-nonsensical if we took the "not" out. Make the sentence "I quite liked Mac's drawing but for a skateboard" and it splits us between:
One thing I do want to point out, though, is that this "but for" thing isn't a 100% rule. There are plenty of constructions where "but for" would work the way I think you'd ordinarily expect. For example ...
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In the absence of a Spanish or Portuguese thread (I assume it's Spanish but honestly don't know), I'll share this here. A user comment from someone who visited my YouTube video of Misdreavus being caught under a tree during the Johto saga. You don't have to be able to speak Spanish or Portuguese though to figure this one out.
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It is Spanish.
For those without the linguistic knowledge, a rough translation: Quote:
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07-27-2013, 11:28 AM | #21 |
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Oh, animé.
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09-22-2013, 04:02 PM | #22 |
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Anybody here doing Duolingo? I've started doing French there.
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09-22-2013, 04:20 PM | #23 |
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Got a strange language situaion here, because I cannot choose for the life of me which language is my native one between French and English, as I learned both at the same time as my first language XD In consequence I'm very fluent in both, but also have little problems in both that would make linguists cringe ^^; It ain't too bad though. So feel free to PM me or whatever for your French-related needs, I love helping out with that kind of stuff :3
I'm trying to learn Japanese, but I haven't found anything that's just right for me, that hooks me up and goes at my pace; either it's too boring that I give up, too slow that I get bored (and then refer to reason #1), or goes too fast and gets me confused more than anything. |
09-22-2013, 04:26 PM | #24 |
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I've done some of the Duolingo French. I took French in high school so I was able to get through the easy stuff pretty quickly. It seems like a good website to start, though. Wish I had more time to get to the more advanced stuff.
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09-22-2013, 04:30 PM | #25 |
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You're a native bilingual then; you can be native in multiple languages without any problem, though what you're experiencing is probably a little bit of negative transfer (which is totally normal and fine).
Duolingo is supposed to be a pretty good study tool but from what I've heard it's only really good for basics. Most language tools on the Internet tend to be though. >Japanese I know there's a thread for this but... If you want to start learning Japanese, I suggest you start by learning the kana before even picking up a real textbook. That'll be the most invaluable skill you need to learn anything at all, so learn it early and master both hiragana and katakana (most people neglect katakana and it ends up being a problem later on when they have to re-learn it). Then, I'd suggest picking up Genki I or a comparable book. Genki is only okay and has some organizational issues, as well as being really light on Kanji, only getting through like 400 by the end of book 2. But it's pretty well paced and a good starting place. Doing both of the books and the associated workbook should get you up to the edge of Intermediate, and then you can start some more self-study from there. My Japanese program at my university uses Tobira for the upper level book; it's pretty good but it's really highly reading-oriented and the grammar sections are all over the place. However, its vocabulary is fabulous and the way the reading works it forces you to learn the kanji and learn it fast. |
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