05-04-2016, 01:34 PM | #1426 |
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Well then, I guess I better start researching independent candidates.
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05-04-2016, 01:47 PM | #1427 |
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Indiana: Lincoln's boyhood home.
Indiana: where the Republican Party died. Kasich dropping out of the race is a clear sign that party stalwarts are abandoning ship. Lacking the means to force Trump to leave, they are leaving themselves.
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05-04-2016, 02:02 PM | #1428 |
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Kasich dropping out (has it been confirmed by an official statement yet?) was pretty much a given. He has no hopes against Trump for delegates and he doesn't have enough to force a brokered convention. Cruz dropping out pretty much signaled there was no way to keep Trump from not becoming the nominee.
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05-04-2016, 02:10 PM | #1429 |
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He was due to speak in D.C. but ordered his airplane turned around for Ohio. Reports say he plans to announce he is ending his campaign. He will speak at 5pm (a little under 2 hours from now).
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05-04-2016, 02:13 PM | #1430 |
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Ahhh ok. I didn't know if it was confirmed since its was (so far) not backed up by an official statement.
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05-04-2016, 02:36 PM | #1431 |
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If your primary campaign is dead and you drop out, does anyone care?
Edit: I'm also glad I get to vote in the Beast vs. Smiler election in my lifetime.
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It's a legitimately tough question, but I put Hillary as the Beast due to her being the craven, poll-chasing devil we know and Trump as the Smiler since I suspect his only real animating force is the belief that he should be president.
So basically when Trump's family starts dropping suspiciously in sync with his poll numbers I won't be surprised. Edit: also I ruined the joke and spoiled a large part of Transmetropolitan so whoops
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05-04-2016, 04:46 PM | #1435 |
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Have a sneaking suspicion Kasich was made an offer he couldn't refuse.
I'm just shocked at the sudden change of rhetoric. Before Indiana it was Ted and Kasich staying in no matter what to contest the convention and broker it. After Indiana, they both drop out. I also expect this to really help Sanders in remaining states with open primaries. A lot of Trump supporters will swing to vote for Bernie now that their man is all but crowned. |
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Would be interesting to see if and how this happens in any of the primaries it can still occur in, it would really boil down to whether they see Hillary or Bernie as a bigger general election threat. They may prefer a Trump v. Clinton match up as they could see it as the better chance for him to win.
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On the flipside, someone who absolutely abhors Trump and doesn't like Clinton would be likelier to vote for Sanders than Clinton since, like I just said, Sanders' victory margin tends to be higher in the 1v1s with Trump than does Clinton's. * Click on the thumbnails below for full-size images of the latest polls for Clinton vs. all three and Sanders vs. all three. 1. Clinton beats Trump and Cruz while losing to Kasich. 2. Sanders beats all three. 3. Clinton beats Trump by 7 percentage points according to Fox News' own poll. 4. Sanders beats both Trump and Cruz by nearly double the amount Clinton beats them. You can interpret the data however you like. As I see it, the data shows us:
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Cruz dropping out after Indiana is one thing, but both him and Kasich within 24 hours? Something is going on behind the scenes. Either a huge chunk of the more mainstream party has given into the idea that Trump is inevitable (and so Cruz and Kasich have been basically told that even come a contested convention, they've no chance) or the #NeverTrump brigade have something else up their sleeve that benefits from those two getting the hell out of the way. I don't see either just rolling over and backing Trump at this late stage; Kasich has known for ages he's an also-ran and a contested convention is his best chance, nothing's changed for him, and despite Cruz's loss in Indiana he's way too much of an idealogue (and by all indications had a very strong convention floor game prepared) to give up to someone who's been historically pro-LGBT and only tokenly religious.
In other news, Trump has managed to make me agree with David Cameron on something.
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The Republicans have to acknowledge Trump's voter base. They've tried to pretend they'll go away, but when Trump started to pull in numbers greater than 30% (which was for a long time the limit of his appeal) the continued resistance began to break the illusion of the Republicans as a homogenous entity, with the loudest voices belonging to the evangelicals and elites.
If the party continues to fight Trump, it'll destroy itself. So they've acquiesced, but are unsure of their next move aside from that.
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05-05-2016, 09:48 PM | #1442 |
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>Narration claims moderation is a personality trait
>Flashes images of Obama and Hillary oooookay, time to pause and watch the baseball game!
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He's also led a moderate republican administration.
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If that is really how people see being moderate then I am really worried for America. What that spells out to me is that Americans wanting a moderate President want someone who will bend over backwards for a lot of things.
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The problem is that party divisions, at least as the general public sees it, has boiled down to Republicans being the angry Bible thumpers who deny climate change and oppose change at all and Democrats as communist hippies who want to undermine the American way of life by complete subversion. Thus, a moderate is viewed as someone who can balance "progressive" thinking with making concessions to the right wing so that they don't complain. That's how I see it, at least.
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05-06-2016, 10:13 PM | #1448 |
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If that's the running definition of moderate, it explains why Obama's presidency has largely been one of un-accomplishment.
I feel like we've been down this road before, but since the conservative revolution, the flavour of politics in the US has been to get in power, spam passing laws, get some networking cred and go on a speaking fees or consulting binge. So if you're a "moderate", someone willing to compromise, you're facing an electorate and congress that does not believe in compromise. You will go nowhere. This is a major shift in ideology from how the US was founded up until the New Deal, I think, although it took some time to be fully mainstream. We still had the veneer of a compromise willingness through Ford. This article does a bang up job of summarising it. Europeans, this isn't the American you're looking for.
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lol
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05-07-2016, 12:23 AM | #1450 |
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Bring the country out of the worst recession in years, skyrocket LGBT rights, even have a small hand in toning down the war of drugs, manage to introduce at least a checkpoint on the way to single-payer healthcare.
Come on Dopple.
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