08-29-2014, 04:56 PM | #1 |
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I didn't want to derail the Gen 7 discussion any further, so ... migrating this over to here. Ironically, I'll be placing the relevant quotes inside a spoiler tag so that the member affected can (hopefully) load this post.
Spoiler: show I don't know what to tell you, but it's not (or should not be) the text length:
Think of it this way: the post I provided above, the one you're claiming you can't fully load ... how much shorter is it than a typical Fizzy Bubbles zone update? If your mobile can load a post like this, then surely it can load a post like mine. If it's able to successfully load one and not the other, then this is a tech glitch we (i.e. Kuno and moo and Morg and I and whoever else that wants to help out) should investigate and try to fix. If you can't load either post, then what: would you ask Tess to start breaking her posts up into spoiler boxes by paragraph from now on? (Were you to join FB, that is. For the purposes of this conversation, please just say you were. -.-) It should not be an issue of data. Provably, my posts are miniscule compared to the images on this site. It probably has something to do with how your phone's browser and how Kuno's version of vBulletin do not play nicely with one another. I would not be surprised to discover that you can load my posts perfectly fine when posted on other sites or in other ways. For example, if you were able to load Kokoro up just fine, then clearly you have no problem with loading puretext as that site is purposely Web 0.0.1 when it comes to how advanced its HTML is. If even Kokoro was giving you trouble, then I would still insist that it can't be a data issue -- not if you're not complaining about standard avatars and signatures -- and that it has to be some weird property of your mobile's browser when it comes to loading too much text in a window at once. Here. Try this out. Here's one of my posts on Bulbagarden. I grabbed one that seemed particularly long to try and help you identify whether the problem is with how your mobile plays with Kuno's vBulletin version or not. In case that one doesn't load, here's a shorter one (four paragraphs). And here's one with some quote boxes and foreign characters. If you can load all three, then identify for me a post of mine on UPN that you cannot load fully. And I'll see how its size compares with the three BMG samples.
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Talon can you just use spoiler tags on long things like this please? Maybe there isn't a tech issue and you're right but it's very easy for you to do and makes everyone else's lives much essier. You routinely make posts full of BBCode and smileys that are TL;DR and some people don't want to have to scroll through that. Like, I'm not trying to single you out, but is routinely your posts that are TL;DR and slow people down. Thanks.
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And also answer every last one of the diagnostic questions. Or else it's a flat "NO THANK YOU" from me.
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08-29-2014, 05:39 PM | #4 |
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No, I'm not going to forcibly drag people in to this if they don't want to be involved, but it has been something which is occasionally mentioned by a number of others for quite some time. As I say, not singling you out but you are often one of the main culprits for this and it really doesn't take any effort at all for you to fix.
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08-29-2014, 05:47 PM | #5 | |
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Q1. Does this post load completely for you? Q2. Does this post load completely for you? Q3. Does this post load completely for you? Q4. Does this post load completely for you? Four simple questions with what ought to be four simple answers to help get the ball rolling. I am less interesting in changing how I post and more interested in identifying what is causing this problem for you. If you don't share that interest and are only interested in the perverse social experiment that is "Cry wolf and get Talon to change how he does things," then we can end it here.
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08-29-2014, 05:50 PM | #6 |
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I can personally vouch that scrolling through your longer posts has been somewhat of a pain on my mobile devices....but yeah.
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08-29-2014, 05:53 PM | #7 |
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1. Took two seconds
2. Takes literally half a minute 3. Takes like 10 seconds (possibly these two are bulba issues) 4. Takes like 10 seconds It is as much your posting style as the loading time which is an issue. It physically takes time to scroll through your posts and the superfluos additions only add to that problem. If you're too lazy or personally averse to do this simple thing then fine, it's not a major issue for me and I don't think it is for others either. |
08-29-2014, 05:54 PM | #8 |
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What is this "posting style" you refer to? There are more gifs, BBCODE tags, and text in the FB update post than in any of the others.
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08-29-2014, 11:30 PM | #9 |
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Which is why people in FB update in size 1. It's because scrolling through years and years of long text gets boring. In the Debate forum, there's no problem with it, because it's meant to be like that(though still, simply quoting walls of texts is not something that should be done- replace with a spoiler, edit it to say the points, or wrap it in a spoiler). However, I think it's basic courtesy to wrap your post in a spoiler if you make a 1000-word long post where otherwise people are not making such posts.
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08-29-2014, 11:47 PM | #10 |
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This is a thread for identifying why long posts don't load for some members, not a dropbox for unsolicited and insulting "advice" on how to be a better poster. Don't like long posts? Don't read them. This thread is neither the time not the place to complain about them.
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08-30-2014, 12:11 AM | #11 |
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No, Talon, Mercutio made a request because it wasn't loading and I'm making the same request because it's a waste of people's times who don't want to read yours, or anyone else's posts at that very moment. I'm not complaining about those posts, because we need proper, constructive posts for good discussion, I'm saying that they need to be collapsed.
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08-30-2014, 01:04 AM | #12 |
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I am not going to wear a burka just because you don't like looking at my face. Kush says that my face is causing him to have epileptic seizures. I've still no interest in wearing the burka, but I would like to find out what is the specific nature of his epilepsy and if something else can be done to fix it.
Translation: the sheer notion that long posts have to forever go inside of spoiler tags is preposterous at best. We may as well ask while we're at it that all animated gifs larger than 400 KB be placed inside of spoiler tags, that posts made by Indians go in spoiler tags, and that every last one of UnpopularMember999's posts go inside of spoiler tags. The complaints "wah, wah, Talon's posts are tough on my fingers to scroll through, wah" are truly pathetic. Come on, guys. You can wade through pages of shit every day in a a Time Out but you can't scroll past one tl;dr you don't want to read without getting a blister? Literally unbelievable. I'm trying to help with Kush's problem because it sounds like he has a legit tech error. But the "I don't want to have to scroll T_T" complaints are insulting on multiple levels.
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08-30-2014, 02:11 AM | #13 |
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I'm siding with Talon here. Asking people to not make long posts, or to hide them on a MESSAGE BOARD is an f'ing ridiculous demand. I have a solution to this problem: don't use your stupid phone to browse a message board. I personally can't stand browsing the Internet on a phone, but if you insist on doing so, then be prepared to suffer the annoyances that ought to be expected when using a tiny little screen.
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08-30-2014, 02:27 AM | #14 |
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I can extend the same argument to "Don't surf the internet unless you're on a 4K monitor with 1 GBps internet" and get a 500 MB 1920*1080 image as my signature. The reason I'm not doing so(and presumably why Kuno enforced size limits) is because I realise other people are on this message board for whom it's completely impractical to always be using a computer in the first place- hell, probably a significant part of UPN accesses it through a mobile device at least once a week- and don't want to have to continually scroll past huge images which, to them, contribute nothing.
Just because it's a message board wouldn't justify me posting the entire text of War and Peace anytime I want to make a point. This is not a message board dedicated to philosophy, this is a pokemon message board and the average message is definitely below 200 words in length, even if you leave out "spammy" posts. I think that if you have the least bit of consideration to others you would spoiler anything above ~800 words(which, for an example, is in the spoiler below: ) Spoiler: show I'm not asking this because I "don't like looking at your face" and I'm definitely not asking this for you alone, Talon, I'm just taking this thread as a good opportunity to request anyone who thinks it's necessary(and it might well be) to post an 800 word post in a thread made up of otherwise small posts: Use a spoiler tag. Don't even have to hide the entire post, leave the first paragraph in there, that's an easy way for anyone who's really interested to click open and continue reading while leaving everyone else happy.
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When you post on a forum, you're making a contentious decision to yield to that older technology. Forums weren't intended to be used on mobile phones and aren't being redesigned to be "phone phriendly" in the same way Dictionary.com and Wikia is. So, asking the 56K user to upgrade for one's convenience when one is on his level of technology seems just a bit unreasonable. Quote:
My advice: before customizing others, customize yourself. This is how I view all the forums anyway - I don't see any avatars or sigs, and images always default to links, so I don't suffer any finger fatigue or loading lag. Even with max posts per page (which, for the record, makes it easier to read mass text since I can scroll and not have to move to a new page). Last time I checked, there were different subforums for Debate and Pokemon.
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08-30-2014, 03:14 AM | #16 |
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There's a difference between "We can't adjust for 56k modems" and "We can't adjust for an iPad" just like there's a difference between "We can't adjust if you're using a millimetre screen" and "Don't have 4K monitor? Do you even lift bro?".
Secondly, that's all fine and dandy but it doesn't change the fact that superlarge avatars, sigs, images etc are extremely annoying to everyone else which is why Kuno banned sig images above a certain size and it's general courtesy to spoiler tag huge images. Thirdly, that's my entire point. Post all you want in the Debate forum, I have absolutely no objections. But if you want to make 800 word posts in the Hoenn Confirmed thread, for instance(and seriously this is not meant to be any kind of personal insult, most such posts are high quality), wrap it in a spoiler tag please.
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Who said anything about allowing huge images? We're not asking people to get 4K monitors and 1 GBps Internet so they can suck it up and deal with giant avatars and signatures.
And no, it's not "basic courtesy" to hide posts above 800 words on a message board. I literally never heard of this "rule" in my entire 19 years of using the Internet until I came here and discovered a bunch of entitled phone users demanding that people cater to them and their tiny little screens.
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08-30-2014, 06:20 AM | #18 |
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That's cool and all, but your being 19 years on the internet has nothing to do with the discussion and frankly you sound like the entitled prick if you're basically saying "NO WE WILL NOT GIVE PEOPLE WHO BROWSE UPN ON THEIR MOBILE DEVICES THE SIMPLE COURTESY OF A SPOILER TAG." 19 years ago there were no mobile phones capable of accessing the internet, so in my view it's completely irrelevant. Don't shove your "veteran" into other people's faces and use it as a reason. Especially don't try to argue against people using mobile phones on the internet if you just admitted you never do it.
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So let me get this straight: I am now living in a world where it's considered rude to leave an 800 word post in plain sight on a message board? BUT WAIT, it's okay to do it in certain sections of the board, such as the Debate forum, because that's what it's all about! But this is the Pokemon section damn it, and there's no need to make any 800 word posts about Pokemon, and if you really have to, for gods sake cover that shit up so people don't have to deal with it.
How do you handle message boards that don't even have spoiler tags? Do you kick up a big shit and ask that people limit their posts outside of the Philosophy Essays section to under 800 words so you aren't inconvenienced? I don't get it bros, I just don't get it.
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08-30-2014, 06:57 AM | #20 |
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I don't go to too many other message boards and the ones I used to either have a similar courtesy rule(most parts of Serebii) or are for serious discussion all the time anyway(Smogon). I don't come to UPN for serious discussion every bit of the time. That's why it's fine in the Debate forum, because you go to the Debate forum for serious discussions. That's fine, if, say, you want to have a serious discussion over how Smogon is banning too many things and make a thread about it.
Is it not the same thing with, say, ORAS spoilers? I could say "Dude seriously why the hell are you on a message board if you don't want to deal with spoilers do you go around the internet and tell people to not spoil you" but the simple thing is that people on UPN show a clear divide. There are threads for spoilers and there are threads where absolutely no spoilers. It's a question of courtesy, I don't call people "entitled" because they're asking someone else to spend two seconds on a spoiler in that case and in this case. But fine if you don't. It's no skin off my back, because I only rarely browse UPN on a phone and I use a mouse, not a trackpad, so I can scroll easily. But I'm asking you to think about the people who do those things and they are not the minority. Since we do have spoiler tags, why not use them?
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Woops.
Look if people don't want to put everything in a spoiler tag then fine, it's not that big of a deal, we all have the time to sit around doing nothing on the internet instead of walking miles for clean water or getting shot at by Islamic militants. This is very much a courtesy thing from the perception of some users including myself and courtesy isn't as important here as in the real world. It's a real first world problem. However, long posts, full of smileys, BBCode and/or GIFs, show people down in terms of loading speeds and slow people down in terms of having to physically wade through it all. Subheadings are useful but they don't solve the fundamental problem. It is basic politeness to compensate for this in your posting habits. Clearly there are some threads where you're going to have a lot of very long posts all of the time i.e. quality role playing threads, ASB legend battles. But in chat threads, or debate threads, or pretty much anywhere else really, you're just being inconsiderate. It's the internet, everyone is inconsiderate, but this alteration to your habits is very simple to do. Recall the time when everyone wanted to avoid Pokémon spoilers but couldn't muster the sense to stop going on a Pokémon forum, pretty much everyone adapted and started using spoiler tags and threads. It can be done, even if you personally find it distasteful. |
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So the truth comes out. This was never about cell phone loading times for you. This was about the "inconsideration" of long posts and emoticon usage.
I think we're done here. Good luck with the phone troubles. Pretty fucking unbelievable what some people consider "courtesy" these days. "It's common courtesy to not be so talkative" ... fuck me, man. Might as well tell me to jump off a bridge ...
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Grow up, Talon.
I made it clear from the outset that it was a multi faceted issue, not specifically targeted at you or anyone else, and that several people felt this way to variations and degrees. You're the one choosing not to alter your behaviour in respect of these concerns, do not be so disrespectful as to accuse me of dishonesty from multiple angles when I have already said twice that it's not a major issue if you wish to maintain these habits. |
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Man I hated him so much for that. But he gave me a tomato and a mushroom so it was ok.
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