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Old 09-16-2019, 05:37 AM   #4976
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Old 09-18-2019, 03:08 AM   #4977
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So today I learned that what broke Pheromosa is not the obvious Life Orb set, but rather when she started to run Quiver Dance. I always knew Pheromosa had access to it but figured she was too frail to do anything, but at +1 Speed and with snowballing SpA boosts, just nuking off Focus Blast was enough.

Both Naganadel and Pheromosa's best sets involve Z-Moves, so I wonder about a meta where both are allowed. As we saw in ORAS, competition for a Mega slot kept some Megas like Mega Metagross from being banned, but when there was less centralizing pressure and a better environment to feast on, Meta Metagross became too centralizing for OU. My guess is Naganadel would take precedence as the much more well-rounded pick.
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Old Yesterday, 05:02 AM   #4978
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I was reading the RS entry on Smeargle and saw this:

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As of August 2019, Baton Pass is illegal on Smeargle, which makes some of its main sets obsolete.
Wait, what?

How does this happen? Was it discovered that Smeargle cannot learn Baton Pass in RS, retroactively? How?

I went to the OU page...

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Baton Pass Clause: Teams are limited to a maximum of three (3) Baton Pass users, and Smeargle cannot have Baton Pass in its moveset.
Oh.

Whaaat?

Smogon seems to have gone full-blown moronic now. Why not just ban the move, stupid?
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Old Yesterday, 11:53 AM   #4979
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Yeah Baton Pass is weird and I feel like they should just standardize it, because like

SM: banned outright
XY: banned outright

great! simple! easy to remember!

BW: Teams may not have more than one Pokemon with Baton Pass in its moveset. Additionally, Speed + another stat may not be passed.
DPP: Teams may not have more than one Pokemon with Baton Pass in its moveset. Additionally, Speed + another stat may not be passed.
RS: Teams are limited to a maximum of three (3) Baton Pass users, and Smeargle cannot have Baton Pass in its moveset.
GS: No restrictions

I get that its impact/power is different in every gen but good god all of that is annoying to remember if you're a multi-gen OU player. I've normally been very pro-Smogon over the years but the Baton Pass mess is one thing that I'm kinda eh on
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Is the Baton Pass change a new thing? Usually, Smogon hates making changes to previous generations.
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Is the Baton Pass change a new thing? Usually, Smogon hates making changes to previous generations.
Starting in 2018, people who hated Gen VII OU and didn't care for the other Gen VII metagames were moving back to older metas and demanding changes to fit their preferred format, i.e. exactly what is happening with the SM OU Council.

This generally isn't a problem. Latias being unbanned for DPP OU, for example, is righting a wrong even if it's "changing history".

The Baton Pass thing is repulsive because it's a complex ban. Like, the exact reason Blaziken is banned - "we don't want a slippery slope banning Speed Boost on Blaziken" - is exactly what you see in that Smeargle clause.

That's fudging ridiculous.
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