01-05-2011, 06:48 PM | #1 |
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Didn't see a thread, so apologies if there was one already.
Anyway, I just returned to my apartment, downloaded Pokemon Laboratory, made a team (four DSmon, two WishListmon), and had two battles on their server. My username is Hikaru. Battle 1 Spoiler: show Battle 2 Spoiler: show I had fun both times. There were a few moments of lucky and correct prediction on my part, but that's part of what makes the game fun, I think. Kind of disappointed to see that ... Spoiler: show
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01-05-2011, 09:04 PM | #2 |
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Oh. So you don't want to battle your friends in a real game of Pokemon. But you will go around finding weird strangers with Pokemon named after smilies. Do we mean nothing to you?! I guess Morg and his amazingly hard Metapod just ain't enough for you.
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01-05-2011, 09:39 PM | #3 |
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What are you talking about? I post a request for battle months ago and NOBODY has--
*sees Loki's post dated 10/31* I mean, nobody has ... *TEN THIRTY-ONE* Nobody has ... posted since I did. Oh. I see that you posted. Whoops. Well, sure, I'd love to play. Just give me a time and rules and stuff.
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01-05-2011, 09:42 PM | #4 |
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Jumping on AIM is the best way to link to me for the most part, since it's instantaneous.
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01-05-2011, 09:55 PM | #5 |
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War Story #3
Spoiler: show The thing I like about this battle is, I show that Smogon's phobia of flying-types in the presence of Stealth Rock is just absurd. Maybe not absurd when one is playing against the very best players, but certainly absurd when one is playing against fellow casuals who are juuu~uuuuust hardcore enough to know the advantages of entry hazards and have the desire to use them. I have two fliers on this team (Staraptor, Togekiss) and not once do I waste a turn trying to get rid of Stealth Rock (mainly because I don't have a spinner. Torterra probably should make room for one. >_>). The other thing I like about this battle, though, is when Torterra single-handedly took out Rotom-A. Again, people think that if they use Smogon Pokés that they're 100% safe against people who don't and this is just ridiculous. A, why did this guy not call his Rotom back? B, why did he think Hydro Pump would work well enough to warrant Rotom staying in and spamming it? There was one part I don't remember happening in the actual battle and that's the part where it reports that his Roserade lost 100% of its life to my Mamoswine's Ice Shard. IIRC it lost like 73% of it or so. If it really did lose 100%, obviously it should have died. (It's holding Black Sludge, not Focus Band or Focus Sash.) And I don't think it was even 99% or even 90%. Might have been, but I don't remember it playing out that way. I dunno, the life bars adjust so fast it's hard to tell sometimes.
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01-05-2011, 10:11 PM | #6 |
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That guy wasn't a very good player in general. Keeping a Wash Rotom out against a Torterra when you see it losing the damage race is just bad gaming. It's like going to a gun fight with a toothpick and hoping you can poke someone to death before they get shot. He easily could have switched out and in more and did much more damage to you. Remember, when you switch to a more advantageous Pokemon, your opponent will also feel inclined to switch also. That's how Stealth Rock plays more heavily into the numbers, but mainly into taking advantage of lowered health. It is much easier to do 50/75/88/94% damage to an opponent with one strike from a sweeper than a >100% damage.
I have had matches where they were won purely because of the presence of Stealth Rock and/or Spikes and/or Toxic Spikes. They make a difference in the right hands and Stealth Rock only needing a single use to reach full effectiveness, it's easily the most efficient entry hazard for most people to use. |
01-05-2011, 10:27 PM | #7 |
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Oh, I quite agree that it's useful. But you read the articles of The Smog (as I did this break >_>) and it's just dreadful how biased they are against flying. "So-and-so is weak to flying, but you'll never see Flying-type moves being used so don't worry!" "So-and-so is weak to flying but with Stealth Rock on the field you don't have to worry about birds!" Etc, etc. And it's just ... NO. En Oh, NO. -_-; People leave these gaping holes in their team's defenses to Flying and they expect Stealth Rock to compensate. It doesn't compensate, folks. What it does do is it offers a great way to whittle people's HP down. Particularly my poor Focus Sash Mamoswine. (Just look at the battle logs to see how he's fared, poor bastard.) SR is great for converting 3HKOs into 2HKOs and for converting a rare selection of 2HKOs into OHKOs. All the "lol Charizard, lol Yanmega, lol Articuno" stuff is purely a distraction -- and it's a dangerous distraction when you let it run so far that you leave your team open to STAB Air Slash and STAB Brave Bird rapage. A 50% HP reduction is crippling, yes: but a 25% HP reduction is not. And if you think it is, well ...
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01-06-2011, 11:24 AM | #9 |
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Yes, it can be a serious problem if you have a choice item.
But many people seem to forget that, well, Flying-types get ROOST. Yeah. And don't even get me started on Smogon's bias against Solarbeam. >_> |
01-06-2011, 02:41 PM | #11 |
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It's not bias against Solarbeam when Solarbeam is just bad.
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01-06-2011, 04:25 PM | #12 |
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Talon SR fucks all of those Pokemon beyond the point of no return. Seriously.
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01-06-2011, 05:04 PM | #13 |
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Whatever. If you're so sure, let's play. Oh no, wait: you refuse to play because we all already know your team. >_> Come on, dude.
Pokémon Lab seems to have been a dead end. I've been trying to get the program to load all day and it just refuses despite reporting that the server is up and has 22 of 100 peers on it. Broken. -_-; Despite being what Smogon's site linked to, it looks like their forum links to a different program, one called Pokémon Online. So I'm installing that one right now and we'll see how it goes. If you like, you download it too. Make a team. Let's play.
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01-06-2011, 05:18 PM | #14 |
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OK if you want to rumble lets rumble motherfucker
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01-06-2011, 06:04 PM | #15 |
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I signed up. Had a few battles on Smogon's server but then it suddenly crashed and booted us all off. (I was winning that fight 3-1, too!) So I've since signed on to the European one (Pokemon-Online), and it seems to be a lot more stable. I dunno if it affects tiering (i.e. if PO rank points are stockpiled differently from Smogon rank points), but it doesn't affect me right now and it may never affect me if I'm a pretty crappy player. ;p
So sign after you install it and look for Kotone. It'll be me. The team I am using right now consists of three of my DSmons and three WishListmons. If you want to fight a team purely of my DSmons, I can oblige either via NDS or by making the corresponding team in Pokemon Online. It's your pick.
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01-06-2011, 06:07 PM | #16 |
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I meant playing with the gameboy. I don't like online battle simulators.
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Flying is generally not considered a huge weakness because: 1. Its coverage (fight/bug/grass), while not terrible, is not setting the world on fire. Because of this, you tend only to see flying type moves on flying type Pokemon, which makes them relatively predictable. 2. There's no flying-type equivalent of Boltbeam, Flamethrower or Earthquake. The closest flying gets to a bread and butter damage move with no strings attached are Drill Peck and Air Slash, with Drill Peck not being distributed all that well and Air Slash being viable mostly beause Shaymin-S and Togekiss can Serene Grace cheese with it. The most powerful viable move flying types have access to is Brave Bird, but the 1/3 recoil on top of SR makes for bad juju. 2.b. Flying type move distribution (through tutors, TMs, etc.) has historically been pretty bad. Roost is nice, but offensively flying's most powerful offensive TM until Acrobat was...Aerial Ace wooooooo 3. Any physical wall worth a damn can usually handle things like Brave Bird just fine. Air Slash users face the same "but what can it do to Blissey?" problem that all special attackers face: only Shaymin-S really has an answer, primarily because it can use Seed Flare to reduce Blissey's special defense to something manageable. In summary, stop being terrible and learn to meta.
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You quit writing condescending /b/tard posts like these and maybe I'll start listening to what you have to say.
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01-06-2011, 08:53 PM | #22 |
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Seriously? You can't act your age for ten seconds?
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01-06-2011, 10:31 PM | #23 |
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Here's one I just finished. I was feeling pretty good about it maybe being my first 4-0 since starting these programs yesterday but it just wasn't meant to be. My name here was Kotone (like the heroine in HGSS).
Spoiler: show I dunno. It's pretty obvious that I got lucky with his Gyarados missing with Stone Edge (20% chance, that must have sucked =\); and it's equally obvious that I was lucky that my greedy and hasty use of Thunderbolt against his Vaporeon was not met by a Gliscor or other Ground-type; but I don't think that this was a total hax victory either, thanks to a few calculated risks like: * keeping Starmie out despite the temptation to rid it of poison via Natural Cure helped me to bag not only Vaporeon but Heatran and partially Electivire as well! Any Pokémon who manages 2˝ kills before going out is good in my book! * deliberately activating SubPetaya Empoleon and banking on my beloved Togekiss's ability to weather the storm and finish the job with Aura Sphere. Cha-ching!
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01-06-2011, 11:48 PM | #24 |
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Here's one that was pretty close to the wire.
Spoiler: show This one could have gone either way at the end. I was concerned that my Scarf Mamoswine would not be able to outpace his Agility Empoleon, so I switched to Starmie to try and scare it into action. Seems I was premature and the combination of an Ice Beam to the face plus a CritHit Surf cost me my sea star and my 3-1 lead. Mamoswine felt just as quickly, unable to Earthquake before being Surfed to death. It was nothing short of a miracle that Kingdra managed to deliver not one but two blows to the steel-clad emperor penguin. So, seems I'm still stuck at close wins and close losses. I took Loki's advice and set up Stealth Rock with Mamoswine, but I really need to de-equip the Scarf from him I think and give him back his old Focus Sash. See how it works for a change. Problem I had with it before was that it never got a chance to be of use. But I miss the move freedom I used to enjoy on Mamoswine. Being locked into moves sucks. And as the battle log shows, it sucks even harder as soon as the opponent figures it out. I'm not running any Leftovers on this team right now. Maybe I'll give him that instead ...
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01-07-2011, 12:22 AM | #25 |
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Guys...I hate to admit this, but I've been completely lost on these Pokemon VG discussions for almost a year now. What game(s) do I have to play to make your Greek sound a little more Anglo?
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